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post #941 of 1345
People, if you're trying to compare Titan X with watches - at least try to do a more fair comparison. Compare it with Apple's Watch, especially the 18-karat gold model. Which will be just as outdated and impractical as Titan X after a couple of years or less biggrin.gif Same goes for cars - more fair comparison would be with something like BMW's i3, which is a pretty "cool" vehicle nowadays but will quickly get outdated as cars with better batteries and more efficient electric motors will appear, as well as better interior gadgets/devices for cars like newer Bluetooth revisions, newer built-in navigation systems with a large "augmented reality" HUDs and built-in Android Auto/Apple CarPlay compatibility, built-in wireless chargers for all your gadgets, built-in surround cameras with constant recording and so on wink.gif
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Sorry for being so obvious for stating my opinion that Computer part are nothing like cars or watches which has nothing to do with Titan or Nvidia.
Oh, they are. Just not the type of cars or watches only old farts care about biggrin.gif
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That's my point. In 3 months Titan will not be any special.

That's being pretty presumptuous.

Titan X is pretty good considering that it almost got a generational jump without needing a die shrink just from pure architectural improvements.

e.g 6970 to 7970 was probably a lesser jump as far as performance goes as that jump during that time was 40%. AMD got a die shrink and a new architecture going. Titan to Titan x is bigger than a 40% jump which is pretty good considering they use similar power and titan x has way more overclocking headroom.

For a gamer chip, Titan X is pretty fantastic. Almost all it's improvements come from pure architecture level advancements which has allowed them to get it out 1 year earlier(maxwell in general) and it has made AMD look like a generation behind in a long of ways. Tonga was AMD newest chip using the same HPM process Maxwell cards came out, and they simply came out awful.

AMD is trying to fight back with Nvidia not with architectural advancements as much as process manufacturing advantages(Supposedly fd soi > HPM) , water cooling and hbm. This isn't as impressive in my opinion because it is simply less of an R and D focused and more about having the right partners to give you access to these technologies. Plus it seems more like a brute force method that leaves way less head room in the future. I.e Nvidia will get these technologies eventually(get those improvements) and basically it will all be down to architecture again.

If it takes water cooling and a manufacturing process advantage that supposedly saves 20% power while giving 20% higher frequency to compete with Nvidia, they will be in trouble at 16nm, when the playing field is level again when Nvidia get HBM and everyone will be using 16nm.

I think even if AMD comes out as fast as rumored(which is highly suspect considering the timing of the leaks/i.e damage control as far as titan x reviews), most people that have purchased titan x will probably have very little to regret if they can afford 200 dollars. Theres a good chance nvidia will still have the crown when overclocking is taken into account(1550mhz on stock air cooling) and AMD isn't going to price their card that low considering it has a water cooler and very expensive memory incorporated into the chip. Plus the large die size itself.

You can't brag or presume on 390x laurels until it is released because considering how much of a financial beatdown maxwell has given AMD, if AMD has something, they should have released it by now and these rumors seem like a calculated effort on AMD's part to pull off anti marketing on Nvidia(crap on the competition rather than promote your new products). A move they seem to have taken alot since Roy Taylor went aboard AMD.
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Ridiculous that UE4 isn't built with SLI support from the ground up. However, all we really know is that AFR isn't going to be natively supported by all features in the engine. Very possible with DX12 that we will see SLI support in a different form than AFR.

 

Daylight is a UE4 Game that is SLI enabled on Steam now. SLI isn't natively turned on in the engine correct, but if you get close to a shipping game and want it and have the personnel to plug it in, I'm sure just like Zombie Studios, you can make it happen one way or another.

 

In other words it's not impossible. someone has done it. Also the engine is free.

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So much discussion in here regarding the price of the Titan X it's crazy. It's an ethusiasts card, you buy it because you want the best regardless of price. Everyone knows that the price isn't worth the performance, much like a Lamborghini on public roads. IMO price shouldn't even be a metter of concern with any previous / current or future Titan.

Still waiting for my 2 to arrive. They sold out in minutes!
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So much discussion in here regarding the price of the Titan X it's crazy. It's an ethusiasts card, you buy it because you want the best regardless of price. Everyone knows that the price isn't worth the performance, much like a Lamborghini on public roads. IMO price shouldn't even be a metter of concern with any previous / current or future Titan.

Still waiting for my 2 to arrive. They sold out in minutes!
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That has nothing to do with the definition of enthusiast. An actual enthusiast likely has an understanding of what's actually going on here; that being that the Titan X (GM200) is a record-high price hike on the same class of chip that comprised the "enthusiast"-class $500 cards a few years back (and is just the cherry on top with the doubling of chip tier prices across the entire board since 2011; Gxxx4s are now going for the same price or even more expensive actually than Gxxx0s used to go for). An enthusiast is someone with a deep interest in a topic, not someone who'll buy anything regardless of price just because they perceive it as the best (though the two categories can overlap). The latter type of person may even be the complete opposite of an enthusiast (ie. buying "the best" with potentially no knowledge or interest in details).


Similarly, an enthusiast probably has an understanding that the same chip in a slightly or not-even cut-down form will hit the market within a few months as the 780/780Ti successor and that AMD are set to release their own competitor likely to force that 780/Ti successor. An enthusiast therefore likely understands that waiting a bit will yield a nearly or perhaps even faster product shortly after (those being, in a best-case scenario, custom uncut GM200 designs to compete with the 390X) for a much better price; one that doesn't support the sky-high prices Nvidia are trying to impose on the entire market because of the success of their current pricing. They're not even hiding behind the guise of a semi-pro card this time around, they're just flat-out giving us a double-VRAM GF110 successor for double the price.


Now, a person can buy whatever they wish of course, but trying to dismiss pricing concerns just because makes no sense whatsoever. They're very valid concerns based on facts and a huge disparity in market placement/pricing between now and just a few short years ago with the potential to grow into even more of a problem because people might even be willing to pay even more. I dread GP106 becoming the new $500+ card and GP104 filling in a $1000 price-point with GP100 being who knows were and people dismissing further concern because "GP100 is an enthusiast's product, just buy the low-end GPU of the new lineup for $500". Nvidia have clear tiers of progression and and the latest in each are being charged for twice as much as they previously were.


It's like charging a 2015 Lamborghini twice as high as the 2011 version of the same model. Furthermore, you can actually match a Lamborghini's speed with a much cheaper car (or really close); that's not the case with GM200 being locked to a $1000 product rather than Nvidia's historical Gxxx0/Gxx0 range of $500-$650.


Finally, if my Lamborghini was overheating and throttling itself and a lower-tier model that's almost entirely identical spec-wise was certain to come out for only 60-70% of the price in three months with potentially even better aesthetics (color options), build quality, and maybe even faster speed due to improved aerodynamics with similarly-better competing models and upcoming much faster and more efficient succeeding models for a much-cheaper price in the near-future, I would wonder why I even thought that original Lamborghini was remotely even a good idea particularly when it's twice as expensive as the previous year's model to begin with.
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Well, there are people who buy NVIDIA and people who buy AMD.

Even if 390x destroys the Titan X, Nvidia guys are obviously still going to buy it regardless of price.

Who cares, people work hard for their money and if it makes them happy to purchase something like this then so be it.
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Well, there are people who buy NVIDIA and people who buy AMD.

Even if 390x destroys the Titan X, Nvidia guys are obviously still going to buy it regardless of price.

Who cares, people work hard for their money and if it makes them happy to purchase something like this then so be it.

Pretty much this.
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Well, there are people who buy NVIDIA and people who buy AMD.

Even if 390x destroys the Titan X, Nvidia guys are obviously still going to buy it regardless of price.

Who cares, people work hard for their money and if it makes them happy to purchase something like this then so be it.

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Pretty much this.

There is absolutely nothing anyone in here is doing to prevent anyone from spending their money how they wish. I'm certainly not going to berate anyone for buying what they want with their money nor am I going to go into the Titan X owners club and tell them their purchase is wrong, but this is the Titan X reviews thread (hence an open discussion on the Titan X and its testing/details, not a Titan X owner club) on a forum dedicated to hardware interest and I'm simply responding to a dismissal of concerns about pricing with facts and the reasoning as to why other people or even people buying the Titan X might very well be worried about its pricing.

It insults no one and it doesn't demand they spend their money in any manner whatsoever, it's simply me providing a viewpoint that may otherwise go unknown and if it has any effect on any prospective Titan X owner, then it's realization of the content of the message that affects them and not my attitude nor any unreasonable opinions or demands (as I express neither). Furthermore, information regarding imminent products and the trend of recent releases may very well simply inform someone of something they didn't know and better assist in their own purchasing decisions (perhaps preventing someone from purchasing something they might regret later on, such as people upset when the 780 launched after the original Titan).

If a person reading any pricing concern posts is certain enough in their own purchasing decisions, then nothing I've said should be found offensive nor is it out-of-place in this thread nor as a response to another poster's opinion on the pricing. It's simply discussion (based on a combination of facts and my respectful opinion) and it harms no one; it may only benefit someone and it completely belongs here.
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Who cares, people work hard for their money and if it makes them happy to purchase something like this then so be it.
...but, but who will guide those lost, those misguided, those stalled souls towards the true path to enlightenment and eternal happiness with cards with better price/performance ratio??? biggrin.gif
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Holy price discussion, Batman. I didn't think this thread was going to sink any further into the "is the Titan X overpriced/worth it" hell-hole.

The card is not a value propsition card in any way. If your personal preference is to invest in something with the utmost return on investment + performance-per-dollar, then you are not the target demographic for this card. Period. There are a plethora of other options on the market that fit a myriad of budgets.

As said many times, it's an $800 card AT BEST, inflated an additional $200~+ because it carries the Titan branding and an over abundance of frame buffer. Not to mention...when there's no other card that can claim the "fastest single GPU" title, and the competition's top single-card solution lags behind by between 40-50% in terms of performance...then it's no surprise that this card commands a premium price, and from a business standpoint, why wouldn't Nvidia take advantage of this?

No one in an enthusiast forum needs to be told how to spend their money. If you're looking at the Titan X's price and you have glaring issues with it, the card obviously isn't for you; and anyone considering this card likely already knows what's in store ~3 months down the line, when finally, there will be some competition. I'm sure the people investing in a Titan X are a) tired of playing the waiting game and b) can afford it with little regard to the utmost performance-per-dollar return.

Well, don't mind me....back to enjoying my investment.
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EK-XTOP w/ Dual D5 Pumps, EK-X3 250 Res, EK-D5 ... 2x Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 480mm Rads (1x top mo... 2x Alphacool NexXxos UT60 240mm Rads (1x front ... PrimoChill Rigid Acrylic tubing (White), Advanc... 
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2x EK-FC Titan X Pascal Nickel GPU Blocks w/ EK... 2x EK-RAM Monarch X4 Nickel/Acetal CSQ RAM Bloc... Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit 1x Acer Predator X34 @ 3440x1440p 34" IPS + 100... 
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Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum EVGA SuperNova P2 1600W Platinum CaseLabs SMA8 (Gunmetal Exterior/Black Interior... Logitech G502 Proteus Core 
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Logitech G440 Audioengine HD6 w/ S8 Subwoofer Campfire Audio Vega IEMs Schiit Magni 2 Uber Amp 
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Schiit Modi 2 Uber DAC NZXT Sentry Mesh Fan Controller NZXT HUE RGB LED Controller 
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