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Agreed, there will always be a band of enthusiasts ready and waiting to buy the Titan P., but I guess there will be less of a demand from the mainstream guys, as the price tag will see the rule of diminishing returns apply? Perhaps NV had/has a long-term plan to remove the full compute functionality from the TX and reinstate it for the Titan P? Or maybe they will continue their trend to basically milk the top end of the market and create 'niche' products like Titan's & Tesla's? Hell if all the sports car manufacturers can continue to sell overpriced cars to the wealthy few, then NV may continue their policy as well??? wink.gif LOL

I love the Titan brand and much prefer the smaller form-factor they bring, over the larger PCB custom cards. Hopefully as you rightly said if the Titan P becomes the first card to deliver 60FPS @ 4K then yes I'm sure they will sell loads. As I like you and many others would love to ditch SLi for a single beast card!!! biggrin.gif
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Definitely going to be "Titan R" for rip off if it's 1500 but I'd be one of the suckers that would buy two plus the water blocks and back plate. Those things better be able to run GTA5 4K flawlessly with absolutely everything maxed out and 24GB HBM2.

The Titan and Titan X at $1k were already a ripoff, so I don't see much of a qualitative difference between the next one being $1500 or $1000. You're getting fleeced either way, and if you're in this thread as a Titan X owner you've already declared that you are the sort of person who doesn't really care that much about the fleecing as long as it gives you the performance you want rolleyes.gif

1) Double Precision on the TITAN for compute (some people needed that at a lower cost.)

2) TITAN X was the fastest thing going for about 3 months until the 980 Ti came out and made it mostly irrelevant for all but those who simply must have "the best."

Once you got past that point, then yes, your "ripoff" point is mostly valid, unless we're talking triple 4K monitor setups (or, more likely, triple 1440p / 144 Hz) and SLI.
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1) Double Precision on the TITAN for compute (some people needed that at a lower cost.)

2) TITAN X was the fastest thing going for about 3 months until the 980 Ti came out and made it mostly irrelevant for all but those who simply must have "the best."

Once you got past that point, then yes, your "ripoff" point is mostly valid, unless we're talking triple 4K monitor setups (or, more likely, triple 1440p / 144 Hz) and SLI.

Nah, my ripoff point was valid the moment Nvidia took their midrange chip, doubled the price, and named it the GTX 680, then subsequently doubled the price of their big chip and called it the Titan.

Hard for me to see how a company doubling prices across the board is anything other than a ripoff. The fact that some people can justify being fleeced doesn't mean they aren't being fleeced.

I'm satisfied with my Titan X cards - they provided the performance I desired and at the time they were the only way to get what I needed, so OK I dropped $2k+ on them. But I did so knowing full well that I was being bent over by Nvidia to the tune of about $800 just because they could.
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I'll wait till next april i think at the earliest - thats 2 year mark since i got my TXs. Hopefully Vega is out by then although i dont think it will get too close to TItan R wink.gif

Could bring the 1080 Ti down in price though.
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Agreed, there will always be a band of enthusiasts ready and waiting to buy the Titan P., but I guess there will be less of a demand from the mainstream guys, as the price tag will see the rule of diminishing returns apply? Perhaps NV had/has a long-term plan to remove the full compute functionality from the TX and reinstate it for the Titan P? Or maybe they will continue their trend to basically milk the top end of the market and create 'niche' products like Titan's & Tesla's? Hell if all the sports car manufacturers can continue to sell overpriced cars to the wealthy few, then NV may continue their policy as well??? wink.gif LOL

I love the Titan brand and much prefer the smaller form-factor they bring, over the larger PCB custom cards. Hopefully as you rightly said if the Titan P becomes the first card to deliver 60FPS @ 4K then yes I'm sure they will sell loads. As I like you and many others would love to ditch SLi for a single beast card!!! biggrin.gif
NV is all about "sharing the wealth" by milking the top 1%. They are still playing catch up if they can't do a single card that can do 60fps @ 5K.
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NV is all about "sharing the wealth" by milking the top 1%. They are still playing catch up if they can't do a single card that can do 60fps @ 5K.

I'm not sure how "milking the top 1%" is sharing exactly? And do you mean "playing catch up" is with regards to dual GPU cards???
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I'm not sure how "milking the top 1%" is sharing exactly? And do you mean "playing catch up" is with regards to dual GPU cards???
like charging 1,100+ for Titan X vs $650 for the 980ti. I'm sure making those Titan X cards is not costing them a whole lot more except for the extra memory chips. Really doubt it's costing them 400+ extra that they charge. So it's close to the same thing as sharing because people that don't want to pay for Titans get a break while the Titan owners get ripped.

Playing catch up with GPUs driving the display. It requires 3 Titan X to display GTA5 in 4K with everything maxed out with about a 20-30% GPU power wasted. By the time a single video card can drive 4K we would be past the 5K resolution on display, what's next 10K?
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like charging 1,100+ for Titan X vs $650 for the 980ti. I'm sure making those Titan X cards is not costing them a whole lot more except for the extra memory chips. Really doubt it's costing them 400+ extra that they charge. So it's close to the same thing as sharing because people that don't want to pay for Titans get a break while the Titan owners get ripped.

Playing catch up with GPUs driving the display. It requires 3 Titan X to display GTA5 in 4K with everything maxed out with about a 20-30% GPU power wasted. By the time a single video card can drive 4K we would be past the 5K resolution on display, what's next 10K?

Most indications suggest that 8k is next, though ultimately we would likely be better off improving display technology rather than another large resolution increase. 5k is a very limited offering and if televisions do not support the standard it's doubtful it ever gains much traction.

It's important to note that the industry essentially jumped from 2560p to 4K, even at a time when we were just seeing single card solutions run 2560p at 60fps. Titan X sli was really the first time you could play 4K at 60fps in many AAA titles reliably. So if we see another card released this year that runs 4K at 60 fps that would be a performance increase of 60-70 percent, which is very rare in this industry.
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So if we see another card released this year that runs 4K at 60 fps that would be a performance increase of 60-70 percent, which is very rare in this industry.

60-70% is not uncommon

285 --> 580 was a 67% jump (280 --> 480 was about 57%)
580 --> 780 = 64% jump (and 580 --> 780 Ti was about a 100% jump)
780 --> 980 Ti = ~70% jump (780 Ti --> Titan X was only about 45%)

The only reason it feels like the performance increase is slower now is because Nvidia started these shenanigans with its Kepler launch where it puts out the midrange GPUs first at marginal gains over the previous high end GPU
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60-70% is not uncommon

285 --> 580 was a 67% jump (280 --> 480 was about 57%)
580 --> 780 = 64% jump (and 580 --> 780 Ti was about a 100% jump)
780 --> 980 Ti = ~70% jump (780 Ti --> Titan X was only about 45%)

The only reason it feels like the performance increase is slower now is because Nvidia started these shenanigans with its Kepler launch where it puts out the midrange GPUs first at marginal gains over the previous high end GPU

We are looking at a time gap of what would be around 18 months from one product line directly to the next. Essentially Titan X to Titan P (or whatever). 60-70% increase in line to line with this time span is rare, the 8800gtx comes to mind.

The time spans you are referencing are from around 3 years to 2 years and some change in between (not sure when the 285 came out). The 780 to the 980ti would be a bit under 2 years.

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