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I asked you what they lied about. I'm not interested in hearing an argument from ignorance.
They also list minimum and maximum resolutions in the specifications for display outputs. Are they made-up numbers too?
We're talking about this marketing slide, are we not?

If you replace "published" with "implemented in shipping products", AMD's range is 40 to 144, and Nvidia's range is 0 to 144.

If you replace "published" with "possible", both technologies are always going to be limited by something else. It's pointless to even talk about maximum refresh rate, unless you're talking about the limits of a specific implementation.
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I asked you what they lied about. I'm not interested in hearing an argument from ignorance.
They also list minimum and maximum resolutions in the specifications for display outputs. Are they made-up numbers too?
We're talking about this marketing slide, are we not?

If you replace "published" with "implemented in shipping products", AMD's range is 40 to 144, and Nvidia's range is 0 to 144.

If you replace "published" with "possible", both technologies are always going to be limited by something else. It's pointless to even talk about maximum refresh rate, unless you're talking about the limits of a specific implementation.
The slide is talking about the standard; not specific monitors.
I would agree it's a bit pointless though. A lot of marketing does point to things that are pointless.
     
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The slide is talking about the standard; not specific monitors.
But the standard doesn't even limit refresh rate like that, which is why I said it's a made up number.
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But the standard doesn't even limit refresh rate like that, which is why I said it's a made up number.
Not really,
a-sync.jpg
Problem is people just think in terms of gaming use.
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Not really,
a-sync.jpg
Problem is people just think in terms of gaming use.
I fail to see your point, I'm saying there is absolutely no technical basis for that 9 to 240 figure. Why exactly is the minimum 9hz, instead of say, 1hz? or 1 refresh per minute?

For that matter, why is the maximum 240? Can AMD's graphics cards only go that high, regardless of framerate, resolution, and bandwidth?
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I fail to see your point, I'm saying there is absolutely no technical basis for that 9 to 240 figure. Why exactly is the minimum 9hz, instead of say, 1hz? or 1 refresh per minute?

For that matter, why is the maximum 240? Can AMD's graphics cards only go that high, regardless of framerate, resolution, and bandwidth?
You said it's a made-up number. I'm merely pointing out use cases that encompass those numbers.
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Apokalipse
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You said it's a made-up number. I'm merely pointing out use cases that encompass those numbers.
You're missing the point. This isn't a wishlist, it's a PR slide that says freesync can go down to 9hz and up to 240hz. Those numbers certainly didn't come from the capabilities of any monitor, so where did they come from, and why do they stop where they do? What's the fundamental limitation that stops it working below 9hz or above 240?
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Not really,
a-sync.jpg
Problem is people just think in terms of gaming use.
I fail to see your point, I'm saying there is absolutely no technical basis for that 9 to 240 figure.
That you know of, anyway.
     
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I asked you what they lied about. I'm not interested in hearing an argument from ignorance.

And I asked you to do a forum search, because I'm tired of repeating it dozens of times for each newcomer who thinks he's seen the light. But to be nice, I'll sum up:

1) The claim that it wouldn't require new hardware was a lie. Proved false by AMD's own press release later.
2) The claim that it would just be a firmware update is a lie. Proved false by AMD's own press release later.
3) The claim that G-Sync adds a frame of latency is a lie (one they're still repeating). Proved false by independent, third-party verification of input lag that confirms Nvidia's statements.
4) The claim that Nvidia charges a license fee is a lie. This one is not provably false, but it's also not provably true. Saying "I don't charge a license fee, therefore you do" is not valid logic, but that's exactly what they've done.
5) The 2014 CES demo claimed to show variable refresh, when it showed static refresh. Confirmed by the on-screen display of the demo.
6) The 2014 Computex demo claimed to show variable refresh, when it showed static refresh. Analysis of available video showed that it was the same demo, behaving the same way as CES, only this time they removed the incriminating on-screen display.

I could go on, but you get the point.
post #1170 of 1757
If you read the faq answer here it throws in that low of 9fps in only with 60hz monitors. http://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/222

I'm a bit disappointed with amd. I went with them purely on the basis of freesync being as good as gsync and I don't think they accomplished it.
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