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Oh geez, all the temps are low 40s, wow I knew WC a GPU gave great temps, I'm at 77-82c on load in any game that pushes 100% usage. Seeing 40s is just shocking.
Great site, already ordered the Fury X, should arrive sometime Tues. - Wed.
Now I just need to figure out how to get DVI-D DL to my QNIX monitor from the HDMI/DP ports of the Fury X...

I'm never going back to air for cooling. 77c-82c, there's no way I want that heat dumping into my room. The GPU temps are something that is largely ignored for some reason, but it definitely nothing short of amazing. It keeps the ambient temps low as well as the PC case temps low. It's awesome to finally see my GPU run at the same temperature [sometimes below] a overclocked water cooled CPU.

I just checked my Fury X box and it comes with an HDMI to DVI-SL connector. I personally went with Display Port since offers great sound and quality. What I like about display port over HDMI is that the DP offers great image output, not that HDMI doesn't, but the DP actually "locks" into place. This is much better than VGA\DVI screws and plug with no lock. Sometimes my HDMI cable falls out and I have a hard time plugging it into the monitor.
    
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Before jumping on a new PSU, grab a PSU tester from newegg or something, dirt cheap, cheaper than a new PSU. test the rails, ez-pz. IF it is the PSU, get a new one. IF it isnt. then you can save the hassle of having to unplug/plug the PSU to all the connections, imo I find this a pain in the ass, just to test if "maybe its a faulty/dying PSU"--assumption.

also try reinstalling drivers?
use Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU), remove drivers, re install from AMD.

sounds similar to what happened during my first escapades into 390 CF. already taxing a Corsair AX850, when the recommended is 1050w. was really grasping at solutions when this happened, really was hoping it wasnt the PSU, Driver reinstall fixed everything.

I would second checking every possible thing out first, especially drivers, but a PSU tester will do little good. Most do little more than provide a light load and show an LED for the power rails you attach. That won't let you know if you are having a random moment of failure. An oscilloscope could certainly do so, but you will need to monitor every power rail during at least one such event and you would kind of need to know what you were looking for already in order to setup an event capture.

Of course, replacing a PSU in my system is rather painless, and my next case (a few months away) will make it even easier.
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I'm never going back to air for cooling. 77c-82c, there's no way I want that heat dumping into my room. The GPU temps are something that is largely ignored for some reason, but it definitely nothing short of amazing. It keeps the ambient temps low as well as the PC case temps low. It's awesome to finally see my GPU run at the same temperature [sometimes below] a overclocked water cooled CPU.

I just checked my Fury X box and it comes with an HDMI to DVI-SL connector. I personally went with Display Port since offers great sound and quality. What I like about display port over HDMI is that the DP offers great image output, not that HDMI doesn't, but the DP actually "locks" into place. This is much better than VGA\DVI screws and plug with no lock. Sometimes my HDMI cable falls out and I have a hard time plugging it into the monitor.

Ya my 390 turns my room up 5-10c if I have my door closed. completely killing me in the summer, I dont mind the heating in the winter though.
How's the pump noise? I'm assuming you dont have and/or didnt keep the coil whinning first batch of Fury Xs.

Grabbing a DP to DVI-D DL visiontek adapter off of amazon, really hope it works. 33% of the reviews say it doesnt work at the rated 1600p, then the other 33% say it works and to disregard the others that say it doesnt because they're trying with a DVI SL cable, then 33% say it still doesnt work with a DVI DL cable. haha, no help at all. but its cheap and so far the only one I've found <$100 that claims to support higher than 1080p resolutions.

Need that DL (Dual Link) SL, Single is only good for 1920x1200 and below.
the QNIX I have is a 1440p (2560x1440) I bought to upgrade from 1080p, then found the awesome deal on the Fury X, I would really hate to have to go back to my 1080p benq all because of a port issue.

I'm guessing you're not interested in VR or havent benched (how you do it, I have no idea) VR Games....unless?
just wondering how the Fury X plays with VR, SteamVR rates it at Very High, same as the 980TI albeit 9-10 vs 11 scores.
tested my i7-4790k and 390 and got a 7 score in Fidelity.
Edited by HyeVltg3 - 6/12/16 at 10:19pm
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Ya my 390 turns my room up 5-10c if I have my door closed. completely killing me in the summer, I dont mind the heating in the winter though.
How's the pump noise? I'm assuming you dont have and/or didnt keep the coil whinning first batch of Fury Xs.

What pump noise? biggrin.gif I've turned off everything I haven't heard any noise. My PC case is on top of my computer desk as well. The only noise comes from my Delta and Gentle Typhoon fans. The fan that comes with the Fury X is actually very low unless you run it at 100%, which will never happen.

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Need that DL (Dual Link) SL, Single is only good for 1920x1200 and below.
the QNIX I have is a 1440p (2560x1440) I bought to upgrade from 1080p, then found the awesome deal on the Fury X, I would really hate to have to go back to my 1080p benq all because of a port issue.

Yeah I know. You'll definitely want the DVI D DL for sure. 1920x1200 simply not enough. You'll be @ 1440p for nearly all of the games anyways. I simply went with the Display Port for 4K @ 60hz and the fact that that the older tech [VGA\DVI etc] is being replaced by Display Port.
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I'm guessing you're not interested in VR or havent benched (how you do it, I have no idea) VR Games....unless?
just wondering how the Fury X plays with VR, SteamVR rates it at Very High, same as the 980TI albeit 9-10 vs 11 scores.
tested my i7-4790k and 390 and got a 7 score in Fidelity.

I like VR, but I don't want to pay a arm and leg for it. In SteamVR here are my results from February 2016:

STOCK Fury X = GPU Core: 1050Mhz & HBM = 500Mhz

4Ghz DDR3-1400Mhz = 9.3 - 8471



4.8Ghz - DDR3-1675Mhz = 9.6 - 8955 [Stock Fury X]


Now the overclock settings and results.

Overclocked Fury X = GPU Core: 1100Mhz & HBM = 550Mhz minor +50Mhz on Core and HBM.
4Ghz DDR3-1400Mhz - OC Fury X = 9.8 - 9199

Overclocked Fury X = GPU Core: 1125Mhz & HBM = 550Mhz minor +75Mhz on Core and +50Mhz HBM.
4Ghz DDR3-1400Mhz - OC Fury X = 9.9 - 9295


I'm not using the most up to date platforms so obvious the scores can increase with Ivy-Haswell-Broadwell and newer tech. For what it's worth I think the Fury X did very well in the VR test.
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Ya my 390 turns my room up 5-10c if I have my door closed. completely killing me in the summer, I dont mind the heating in the winter though.

Fury X rad will blow hot air, the air just from holding my hand close to it is no cooler than when my Vapor-X 290X was installed in rig.

Only difference being Vapor-X dumped air in case so mobo, CPU, etc increased in temp, then case fan vented air. Where as Fury X is not dumping hot air in case I see ~5C lower mobo, CPU, etc temps vs Vapor-X.

No worries on Fury X brand info wink.gif .

Another idea is perhaps sell 390 now and maybe get RX 480, etc. I would think they are gonna be blowing out cooler air than 2xx/3xx/Fury Series. TBH RX 480 may just worked out as a cooler / lower power using sideways upgrade.
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I made a reddit thread yesterday to gain more insight on the success of the Fury X and was really surprised by the outcome.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4nskst/its_mid2016_now_should_i_get_fury_x_or_980ti_for/

Its brought up some questions I have about the Fury X now:

  1. Why are people claiming the card cant OC when I can clearly see people with higher than 1050mhz clocks, unless its unstable for 24/7? are the clocks good enough for 24/7? was it easy to "Custom ROM" (going to look that up after I install the card this week).
  2. Is the 4GB really that limiting, I asked in the reddit thread but didnt really get a response, well got one saying the 4GB vram is bad, I thought the whole point of HBM was it wasnt like GDDR5, where if your game used more vram than your card had, you could clearly see how bad it can be with fps drops...but with the HBM you'd never hit the max because it was moving through the saved frames much faster because of the memory bandwidth, unless my understanding of HBM is way off.
  3. I did some more reading after the thread and found that thanks to some Windows 10 update the AMD cards got a huge boost in gaming and the fury X became 6-7% better than a reference 980ti. I really should have asked "Fury X vs 490" as those two cards are the only cards I feel like upgrading to. I really dont want to go back to overpriced Nvidia.
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Another idea is perhaps sell 390 now and maybe get RX 480, etc. I would think they are gonna be blowing out cooler air than 2xx/3xx/Fury Series. TBH RX 480 may just worked out as a cooler / lower power using sideways upgrade.

The RX 480 looks like a great card, but its not meant for someone like me haha, its aimed at mainstream and giving casual gamers a very cheap option to play mid-high end games.
sure the AMD demonstration was great but it needed to be crossfire'd to gain that "lead" over the 1080.
also, I've never bought a card that just launched, I'll give it a few months before that happens.
I only grabbed my 390 some time last summer.
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Why are people claiming the card cant OC when I can clearly see people with higher than 1050mhz clocks, unless its unstable for 24/7? are the clocks good enough for 24/7? was it easy to "Custom ROM" (going to look that up after I install the card this week).

Average overclocks of 1136Mhz reported at hwbot - thats a 8% overclock. Compare that to the nvidia 980 Ti (~28% on air, 32% on water) series, its definitely not impressive and certainly no overclockers dream.
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Is the 4GB really that limiting, I asked in the reddit thread but didnt really get a response, well got one saying the 4GB vram is bad, I thought the whole point of HBM was it wasnt like GDDR5, where if your game used more vram than your card had, you could clearly see how bad it can be with fps drops...but with the HBM you'd never hit the max because it was moving through the saved frames much faster because of the memory bandwidth, unless my understanding of HBM is way off.

Games have to be optimized by the driver dept of AMD to remove unneccesary stuff to keep the VRAM from limiting or affecting performance. As of today, Mirrors Edge is the only game that refuses to run on Fury series on the max settings. Unless AMD can change that, its a sign of things to come.
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I did some more reading after the thread and found that thanks to some Windows 10 update the AMD cards got a huge boost in gaming and the fury X became 6-7% better than a reference 980ti. I really should have asked "Fury X vs 490" as those two cards are the only cards I feel like upgrading to. I really dont want to go back to overpriced Nvidia.

got a source on that? I'd like to read it too.
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Average overclocks of 1136Mhz reported at hwbot - thats a 8% overclock. Compare that to the nvidia 980 Ti (~28% on air, 32% on water) series, its definitely not impressive and certainly no overclockers dream.
Games have to be optimized by the driver dept of AMD to remove unnecessary stuff to keep the VRAM from limiting or affecting performance. As of today, Mirrors Edge is the only game that refuses to run on Fury series on the max settings. Unless AMD can change that, its a sign of things to come.
got a source on that? I'd like to read it too.

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-fury-x-performance-ahead-nvidia-980-ti-latest-drivers/
http://www.overclock.net/t/1578881/fury-x-is-now-just-as-fast-as-gtx-980ti-in-1080p-1440p-and-faster-in-4k (same as above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-XPO_rR0o
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/i-have-joined-the-dark-side-and-fury-x-now-dominat-32816885/

not all reputable sources. but results.

So basically no need to worry about the 4GB vram "issue" or are you saying its an issue but not for today's games (other than GTAV I dont know of one that goes over 4GB of vram usage)

Is the 8% noticeable or just only meant for bragging rights.
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I made a reddit thread yesterday to gain more insight on the success of the Fury X and was really surprised by the outcome.

Its brought up some questions I have about the Fury X now:

  1. Why are people claiming the card cant OC when I can clearly see people with higher than 1050mhz clocks, unless its unstable for 24/7? are the clocks good enough for 24/7? was it easy to "Custom ROM" (going to look that up after I install the card this week).
  2. Is the 4GB really that limiting, I asked in the reddit thread but didnt really get a response, well got one saying the 4GB vram is bad, I thought the whole point of HBM was it wasnt like GDDR5, where if your game used more vram than your card had, you could clearly see how bad it can be with fps drops...but with the HBM you'd never hit the max because it was moving through the saved frames much faster because of the memory bandwidth, unless my understanding of HBM is way off.
  3. I did some more reading after the thread and found that thanks to some Windows 10 update the AMD cards got a huge boost in gaming and the fury X became 6-7% better than a reference 980ti. I really should have asked "Fury X vs 490" as those two cards are the only cards I feel like upgrading to. I really dont want to go back to overpriced Nvidia.
The RX 480 looks like a great card, but its not meant for someone like me haha, its aimed at mainstream and giving casual gamers a very cheap option to play mid-high end games.
sure the AMD demonstration was great but it needed to be crossfire'd to gain that "lead" over the 1080.
also, I've never bought a card that just launched, I'll give it a few months before that happens.
I only grabbed my 390 some time last summer.

1.) People are comparing the card to the GTX brand, but they always forget about the Radeon "architecture". Nvidia selling point is overclocking which debunks a lot of Nvidia fans "complaints" over the years. The biggest complaints about AMD GPUs were the "heat" and the wattage usage. First of all, enthusiast gamers don't give a rats butt about wattage or power usage, hence the extremely high PSU output [700w - 1400w and some people have dual Radiators]. The high wattage didn't really add nothing worth noting to the electric bill anyways. Secondly, these complaints are noting short of bias to lead someone from one brand to the other [basically complain as much as possible about AMD].

AMD has taken care of the heat issues and the power usage is much lower. Overclock headroom is fine, but it's not fine when your two major complaints were power usage and HEAT. Now all of a sudden power usage and heat doesn't matter when it's Nvidia GPUs smh. This made all of those who complained against AMD GPUs hypocrites. So now that those two complaints can't be used against AMD GPUs people look at overclocking, while completely leaving out the "architecture" and driver performance increases. DX11 is old tech and GTX users don't want to grasp the new tech since Nvidia can't support some features properly that are widely used. So while you can overclock the Fury X, but not as high as a GTX, that not the entire story. Just to show you why architecture matters in the long run just check this link: [GTX 1080 vs Radeon Fury [non X]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1547314/official-amd-r9-radeon-fury-nano-x-pro-duo-fiji-owners-club/8340#post_25146804
[the actual difference was 2.18% after re-calculating]

2.) I think AMD platform will address the benefits of HBM memory better, well I hope it does since there are so many things they can do with the tech. You seen my benchmarks, HBM hasn't been a issue since Day 1, but time after time people continue to make it a issue. See I can't curse on OCN like other sites so I have to keep it clean because this really gets me upset. If you look at the benchmarks you'll the Fury X actually beats the 6GB competitors in some games at high resolutions or basically giving the same performance. DX12\Vulkan will allow the architecture to perform even better [check my Hitman 2016 Day 1 vs Patch performance]. Obviously you will need a decent PC setup to get all of the benefits of high end gaming. I expected micro stuttering and performance issues and @ 4K i have not had any issues like that at all. People can complain about 4GB HBM all day, but when you look at the benchmarks you'll always see the Fury X right there with the TitanX\980 Ti. There's some info I'd like to post, but I can't post it here due to the length of the information. I'll send you a PM.

3.) Yeah I was with Nvidia for 5 years and got so tired of upgrading regularly that I went with the SLI setup. SLI isn't what it used to be and Nvidia has some serious issues that I had to consider. The 970 3.5GB issue was a bullet I dodged and if I went GTX 980 I'll probably be looking to upgrade again. So far I think I made the best decision instead of going GTX 980 Ti which would've cost $100 for the 980 Ti I wanted over the Fury X. The 980 Ti isn't a bad card, but the prices were simply ridiculous. $649.99 - $1049.99, simply disgusting that the prices surpassed the Titan X. Nvidia gets away with so I don't see them being reasonable anytime soon.

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Is the 8% noticeable or just only meant for bragging rights.

You'll get a boost in performance for sure. You'll probably want to look through the topic for some tips about overclocking the Fury\Fury X though. Some settings can diminish your performance while others can increase performance. All of the benchmarks you see me running are 99% stock clocks.
    
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http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-fury-x-performance-ahead-nvidia-980-ti-latest-drivers/
http://www.overclock.net/t/1578881/fury-x-is-now-just-as-fast-as-gtx-980ti-in-1080p-1440p-and-faster-in-4k (same as above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-XPO_rR0o
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/i-have-joined-the-dark-side-and-fury-x-now-dominat-32816885/

not all reputable sources. but results.

So basically no need to worry about the 4GB vram "issue" or are you saying its an issue but not for today's games (other than GTAV I dont know of one that goes over 4GB of vram usage)

Is the 8% noticeable or just only meant for bragging rights.

Thanks for the links.

The 4GB vram issue has to be seen. Whether AMD chooses to work on or let go of the Fury X not being able to run the Hyper mode in Mirrors Edge Catalyst. Then it could very well become a real problem in future games (esp those backed by nvidia). Mirrors Edge Catalyst is a special case, i feel like the devs will not be in a position to help AMD because of the "VRAM limit adjust" console like feature that has been included in the PC version. But we have to wait and see.

The overclock part, its not only about bragging rights - but ultimately being able to squeeze more performance and getting a feeling of getting more out of your purchase. 8% might not be that noticeable and nothing to brag about really. At 4k resolutions, idk how noticeable it might be, but a 28-30% oc will definitely be more noticeable. Not to mention aftermarket cards that come overclocked and become standard in benchmarks - that blurs actual performance comparisons as well.
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