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Just wanted to add that when I oc'd my Nano to 1050Mhz with +50% PL, it throttled down only at the first 3DMark test (while not reaching threshold temperature).

When I ran 3DMark2001SE, it throttled very heavily. Maybe because it drawing more and more power, its weird how it works yet at the same time interesting... thumb.gif

I've been modding PowerLimit for member on OCuk, first 2 test ROMs showed improved clock stability with 3DM FS but still not flat like Fury/X redface.gif . Member is now got ROM same PL as Huntcraft Nano ROM for WC setup (posted in Fiji bios mod), waiting on test info. He's also testing reducing voltage offset via MSI AB as several members on here have had success with that to help maintain better average clock.

I'm just surprised Nano does not have PE in drivers on by default or option like Fury/X to toggle it, it's same GPU plus would benefit it more to keep tighter power usage, etc.
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If I can add my two cents to the ongoing discussion.

A reference 290X at let's say 275 watts is doing 90C. That blower is pumping the hot near 90C air out the back of the chassis.

A reference FuryX doing over 300 watts has a much more efficient cooler design. It cools that 300 watts more effectively and the core is only reaching let's say 50 degrees. Let's say the exhaust temp of the air coming out of the radiator is 40C.

Although the one card is DISSIPATING more heat. The one card is still dumping hotter air into the room due to its less efficient cooling.

So while the one card is dissipating more in watts. The other card is seemingly dumping hotter air into the room.

Heat eventually has to go somewhere , the energy is not disappearing. However liquid can hold a lot of heat energy for every degree it raises in temperature vs air. Roughly 4x more energy per degree.

The liquid itself is heat storage .. much more effective than storing heat in air. EG to raise a litre of water by 1c takes more energy than raising 1 cubic litre of air by 1c. Couple that with been able to cool the surface better , having far greater metal / air ratio with the radiators vs heat sink and fan and you get the more efficient cooler.

Fury X without watercooling would have been very hot due to HBM and ~ 9 billion Transistors in a small area, raising its TDP due to leakage . Attempting to air cool it could have produced a 350 watt card etc and most likely AMD would have reduced clocks / voltage if they had to stick to air cooling.
Yes. Which is precisely the reason why I blower air cooler seems to pump out more heat vs. a competing liquid solution. The liquid is storing more energy than the air is so the relative heat dump on an air cooler is much greater vs. that of a liquid or water cooler.
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The bold text I disagree with. The GPU is down clocking is not because of PE=Off but just due to how PowerTune work. Rest of your text is why Power Efficiency is in driver, it used not be available to us in earlier drivers and by default it was on. This clock bounce at hint of GPU activity was one gripe I had with Hawaii, hence after experiencing Fury X it was another reason to keep card. Power Efficiency toggle pretty much came about when clock blocker arrived on the web, the creation of clock blocker happened due to a thread on AMD community forum regarding display corruption on Fury and a member was author of it. So AMD released drivers with PE toggle so GPU will maintain highest clock for certain scenarios where PowerTune was hindering them.

That was my mistake. I left out one word: "not"

I meant to say
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From my testing, experience and monitoring it "Power Efficiency: DISABLED" causes the GPU to NOT down-clock during Idle situations otherwise the GPU will fluctuate from the smallest hint of video activity.


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Unless you have modded the ROM, GPU can never be lower than 300MHz as DPM 0 in all stock ROMs is 300MHz, even with PE=On.

I also meant to say that the Fury X stays at 300Mhz, not below 300Mhz.

I've corrected those two mistakes in my first post.
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If I can add my two cents to the ongoing discussion.

A reference 290X at let's say 275 watts is doing 90C. That blower is pumping the hot near 90C air out the back of the chassis.

A reference FuryX doing over 300 watts has a much more efficient cooler design. It cools that 300 watts more effectively and the core is only reaching let's say 50 degrees. Let's say the exhaust temp of the air coming out of the radiator is 40C.

Although the one card is DISSIPATING more heat. The one card is still dumping hotter air into the room due to its less efficient cooling.

So while the one card is dissipating more in watts. The other card is seemingly dumping hotter air into the room.

It doesn't work like that im afraid.

Consumed watts are dissipated watts. It doesn't matter if the cooling solution manages to keep a 300w chip at 50º, and the other at 90º, because those 300w will be dissipated as heat regardless of how "hot" the air coming out feels in your hand.

The difference in your two examples is that one cooling solution manages to dissipate the same amount of heat in a wider area at a greater pace, making the air feel less hot. The amount of watts being dissipated into the room however, is still the same.
Edited by spyshagg - 6/14/16 at 9:30am
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Posted elsewhere also, but:

A big RX480 leak with performance numbers, temps, and power is set to be out tomorrow.

When asked if it's good by users, the source said "I'll let you be the judge of that...."

When prodded again, the source said "all I can say is, if you have a 390 or 980, you better sell it now!"

Another leaked graph has shown the RX480 to clock to 1400mhz and beat a Fury X.

If we really do see the 8GB variant around $230, then this will be an insane level of performance at that price point.

NVIDIA may have offered a pretty hard blow to the face with it's 1000 series, but these little 480's are going to be a DIRECT KICK IN THE NUTS TO THEM~ biggrin.gif


Just thought I'd share the gossip tongue.gif
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Checked my PSU, it isn't faulty. What else could be causing the black screen+full fan speed with R9 Furys in CF? It happened today again, right after I logged in to Windows. This is really starting to get annoying.... mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
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@Orthello @spyshagg

+rep smile.gif .

@Kana-Maru

No worries smile.gif .

@Agent Smith1984

Some new benches on Videocardz smile.gif .
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@Orthello @spyshagg

+rep smile.gif .

@Kana-Maru

No worries smile.gif .

@Agent Smith1984

Some new benches on Videocardz smile.gif .

Yes, and tomorrow should have even more stuff.

Let's see, $230 8GB GPU with Fury performance (mind you it may take some OCing to truly reach Fury level) that only uses around 140w TDP and will likely clock in the high-1300/low-1400 range...

Yeah, I'll take two of those over single $450 1070 please thumb.gif
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Is seeming like a steal smile.gif , can't wait tell some game benches are out biggrin.gif.

I was thoroughly tempted to put my Fury X on ebay past few days as it was £1 max selling fees, but as I bought it so cheap wink.gif I think I'm gonna keep til Vega is out wink.gif .

It's so tempting to go CF on RX 480 for "bang for $" with lower power usage than say 2xx/3xx/Fiji CF.
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The 1400mhz overclock graph reaching Fury X and GTX 1070 levels is a confirmed fake.
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Samsung 840 Evo 128GB WD Caviar Green 1TB Coolermaster Seidon 120M Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse Pad
BenQ XL2411T Coolermaster V550S  Coolermaster Storm Stryker Steelseries Diablo III QcK Mousepad 
Other
Zalman ZM-MFC3 Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2410M Some Quanta nvida Geforce GT540M Hyundai 6GB DDR3 
OS
Windows 7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 6700k Asrock Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac R9 Nano Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 
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