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If I can add my two cents to the ongoing discussion.

A reference 290X at let's say 275 watts is doing 90C. That blower is pumping the hot near 90C air out the back of the chassis.

A reference FuryX doing over 300 watts has a much more efficient cooler design. It cools that 300 watts more effectively and the core is only reaching let's say 50 degrees. Let's say the exhaust temp of the air coming out of the radiator is 40C.

Although the one card is DISSIPATING more heat. The one card is still dumping hotter air into the room due to its less efficient cooling.

So while the one card is dissipating more in watts. The other card is seemingly dumping hotter air into the room.

It doesn't work like that im afraid.

Consumed watts are dissipated watts. It doesn't matter if the cooling solution manages to keep a 300w chip at 50º, and the other at 90º, because those 300w will be dissipated as heat regardless of how "hot" the air coming out feels in your hand.

The difference in your two examples is that one cooling solution manages to dissipate the same amount of heat in a wider area at a greater pace, making the air feel less hot. The amount of watts being dissipated into the room however, is still the same.
Yes but air 90C air coming out the back of a blower is still 90C air vs. 50C air out the back of a CLC. Regardless of watts generated the relative air temp is till higher on the one cooling solution.
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Yes but air 90C air coming out the back of a blower is still 90C air vs. 50C air out the back of a CLC. Regardless of watts generated the relative air temp is till higher on the one cooling solution.

You don't get it.


Which feels hotter to the hand, a 300 watt hair dryer or a 300 watt living room heater? Both heat the room at the same rythm.


You cant judge what heats up the room more by using the cooling capability of a device.


Watts are Watts, no matter how quickly they get out of the computer case

(300w Fury X = quickly = feels fresher | 300w 290x = slowly = feels hotter)



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Edited by spyshagg - 6/14/16 at 11:36am
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@Alastair

Not to sure it would be 90C and by this hoping someone gives info smile.gif .

I was viewing this. So air has less thermal conductivity so it would carry less of the heat energy, air also has less heat capacity. So theoretically I'm assuming the heat energy is being stored more in the heatsink so temps higher on it / what it's cooling?

Then I'm thinking the AIO unit's liquid has stored more heat energy, when reaching rad it's more/concentrated? taking into account Fury X only 120mm rad, if it was bigger I'd think be cooler air/less concentrated.

Say on my Vapor-X it had large heatsink, so heat energy being dispersed across large area. It never felt to touch as hot as GPU temps was, yes the air on case exhaust fan was noticeably warm when GPU under load.

Now on Fury X the rad is only 120mm, not much more depth to it than Vapor-X HS height, but that had way bigger length. To me Fury X rad air feels warmer more concentrated air.

Perhaps just rambling smile.gif , can't find any test data on exhaust air of HSF vs AIO vs WC even for CPU situation. As interested by all this may just have to run some tests smile.gif .
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Theoretically a 120mm radiator heats up the room Quicker than a 290x stock cooler when both cards are consuming 300watts of waste heat. But at the end of a fixed period, say 2 hours, the rooms will be exactly the same temperature.
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Yep, I would agree from what I'm understanding smile.gif .

On another note smile.gif , tonight had a little session of SWBF - MP Blast, shows sweet clock stability (driver defaults) biggrin.gif . OC via ROM GPU: 1135 (~+31mV ie 1.243V VID) HBM: 545MHz (+25mV ie 1.325V), attached HML file.

SWBF_Fury_X_1135_545.zip 19k .zip file

Gotta start doing some FRAPS tests to compare with Hawaii for games I have data smile.gif .
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It doesn't work like that im afraid.

Consumed watts are dissipated watts. It doesn't matter if the cooling solution manages to keep a 300w chip at 50º, and the other at 90º, because those 300w will be dissipated as heat regardless of how "hot" the air coming out feels in your hand.

The difference in your two examples is that one cooling solution manages to dissipate the same amount of heat in a wider area at a greater pace, making the air feel less hot. The amount of watts being dissipated into the room however, is still the same.

Yes. BTU's not temp. energy both stored or active can only be transformed not pulled out of thin air. 90w in = 90w out. thumb.gif
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Posted elsewhere also, but:

A big RX480 leak with performance numbers, temps, and power is set to be out tomorrow.

When asked if it's good by users, the source said "I'll let you be the judge of that...."

When prodded again, the source said "all I can say is, if you have a 390 or 980, you better sell it now!"

Another leaked graph has shown the RX480 to clock to 1400mhz and beat a Fury X.

If we really do see the 8GB variant around $230, then this will be an insane level of performance at that price point.

NVIDIA may have offered a pretty hard blow to the face with it's 1000 series, but these little 480's are going to be a DIRECT KICK IN THE NUTS TO THEM~ biggrin.gif


Just thought I'd share the gossip tongue.gif

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. cheers.gif

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Checked my PSU, it isn't faulty. What else could be causing the black screen+full fan speed with R9 Furys in CF? It happened today again, right after I logged in to Windows. This is really starting to get annoying.... mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

Sounds like a driver sounds like a crash. Have you DDU'ed and reinstall drivers? also have you tried running a single card in the second PCI-e slot?
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@Alastair

Not to sure it would be 90C and by this hoping someone gives info smile.gif .

I was viewing this. So air has less thermal conductivity so it would carry less of the heat energy, air also has less heat capacity. So theoretically I'm assuming the heat energy is being stored more in the heatsink so temps higher on it / what it's cooling?

Then I'm thinking the AIO unit's liquid has stored more heat energy, when reaching rad it's more/concentrated? taking into account Fury X only 120mm rad, if it was bigger I'd think be cooler air/less concentrated.

Say on my Vapor-X it had large heatsink, so heat energy being dispersed across large area. It never felt to touch as hot as GPU temps was, yes the air on case exhaust fan was noticeably warm when GPU under load.

Now on Fury X the rad is only 120mm, not much more depth to it than Vapor-X HS height, but that had way bigger length. To me Fury X rad air feels warmer more concentrated air.

Perhaps just rambling smile.gif , can't find any test data on exhaust air of HSF vs AIO vs WC even for CPU situation. As interested by all this may just have to run some tests smile.gif .

Water moderates the BTU released to air. max temps are lower but total BTU is the same.smile.gif

Cheers
Edited by bluezone - 6/14/16 at 4:06pm
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The 1400mhz overclock graph reaching Fury X and GTX 1070 levels is a confirmed fake.

do you have a link? I'd like to read this. The only thing I've read so far supporting it being fake assumes 6 pin can only supply + 75 watts, which isn't precisely true. More info would be appreciated. smile.gif
Edited by bluezone - 6/14/16 at 3:47pm
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Finally got my Fury X back (after like 3 months). I sent it in, they had it for a while then sent the same thing back and it didn't work. I got irritated and emailed support and they essentially said I was full of crap. So I went to their FaceBook page and complained. I got someone there to get me shipping covered and sent it back along with videos of it not working. Anyway. Got what looks and smells like a brand new card just not in the OE boxing. Pump isn't as quiet as my original one was but this one seems to run a bit cooler and at a bit lower voltage.
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do you have a link? I'd like to read this. The only thing I've read so far supporting it being fake assumes 6 pin can only supply + 75 watts, which isn't precisely true. More info would be appreciated. smile.gif

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4nvlry/leaked_rx_480_oced_to_1400_shows_fury_x/d47ex8i

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4nvlry/leaked_rx_480_oced_to_1400_shows_fury_x/d47ex8i

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+50 PL: 3774
I know one thing i am done with these 480 threads. There are like 3 or 4 now with "leaked benches". NDA cannot lift fast enough but at the same time i am just going to avoid the news section. I feel like now its just all guessing and faking.
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