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-Guys a friend of mine is in the market for new cards. He has his heart set on a pair of 480's. But I am a believer of the age old saying, 1 Big card over two little ones. And he is tossing and turning between the Fury X and 2 480's, especially since there is a Fury X he can get for 449 dollars. I said he should go Fury X. Thoughts?
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I'm with you on that. I had a pair of 290x's (Roughly similar to the 480) and the second card was used so little due to poor crossfire support on new games.

Of all the games I played over the time I had the 290x's, only Far Cry Primal and Dirt Rally had CF support out of the box, most other games got it added via driver too late and I had already finished with the game (Fallout 4, The Division), never got Crossfire support at all (Rainbow Six: Siege, Quantum Break, Just Cause 3), or had CF support on paper but was broken and completely unplayable (Witcher 3).

I switched to a Fury X as a single 290x wasn't cutting it at 1440p and I'm very pleased with the results. Everything is playable maxed out at 1440p, Witcher 3 gets 50-60fps, Doom 70-100. This card is fast, cool, and very quiet. When gaming the loudest part of my system is now the Noctua 140mm fans on my D15.

I would never rely on the promise of CF support for a card purchase, I had CF 5870s before and the story was the same. CF is great when you have a TOTL card and want to get beyond what any single card can offer and are willing to deal with the drawbacks or if you want to breathe some life into an older system and grab the second card while it's cheap. That's usually how I do it, but one top-end card and then skip the next gen and buy a match for it on the used market when games start to fall behind a bit.
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I said he should go Fury X. Thoughts?

Fury X IMO.
RX 480 PCI-E slot power usage (Click to show)
This is how I see it, RX 480 is hammering the PCI-E slot even for average figure.
Collated THG power data for 390X/Nano/Fury X/RX 480 (Click to show)

Do bare in mind the data from THG is being recording at very high speed, the spikes are not as relevant as average power usage, PC perspective's article uses a better method IMO and also has paragraphs explaining why their test method is so.

I don't believe they can curb RX 480 to be like those past cards on PCI-E slot power usage. IR3567B AFAIK does not differentiate on powering VRM from PCI-E slot/plugs. ROM PowerPlay PowerLimit does not contain values to separate PCI-E slot/plugs. To me via driver I reckon they will either lower voltages on card or exert tighter PowerTune algorithm to reduce power usage but still have higher usage compared with past cards. I reckon it is a PCB design flaw.
RX 480 cooler (Click to show)
The RX 480 cooler is pants, if upgraded = money. In the UK Nitro RX 490 1 etailer is preordering at £250, I've seen Amazon warehouse deals on Fury X for £300 recently, I'd rather pay the £50 extra and get a Fury X open box.
Thoughts on RX 480 vs Fury X on perf.per watt (Click to show)
I usually use a UK magazine's reviews for purchases and they are sometimes on Bit Tech, in their test setup they used later drivers for 390X & Fury X. Comparing say 1080P results only in Hitman did RX 480 gain over Fury X, I think a driver thing with Fury X possibly. Then rest of test the Fury X is faster than RX 480 by (used min FPS):-

AOTS 18% , Fallout 4 36%, Division 34%, Warhammer 11%, Witcher 3 26%

So average for those set of games = ~25% better performance. For the power usage test they take total system draw and run Valley at 1440P, Fury X is 50% faster whilst system uses 50% more power. TPU's performance per watt chart may not be that accurate, right at the top it states:-
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We used the relative performance scores and the typical gaming power consumption result.

Typical gaming power consumption result would be 163W RX 480 and 246W Fury X on page 22 of review and I think they use that wattage and apply to charts on page 24 to come up with performance per watt. As they use Metro: Last Light @ 1080P for the typical gaming power result I thought I'll use FPS of that but there is no data to calculate perf.per watt.

How I see it there could be games which don't stick to highest DPM state on Fury X = less power usage where as due to RX 480 being lower SP, etc it maybe sticking to higher state. So better performance per watt data would be measuring each games power usage/performance and coming up with figures. I'm reckoning Fiji is pretty good on performance per watt.

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Pity that AMD"s been having a rough time with releases.

290x - blower issue
390 series - rebrand issue
Fury - overhyped? not overclockers dream? unable to overtake 980 Ti at time of release.
480 - power issue
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Pity that AMD"s been having a rough time with releases.

290x - blower issue
390 series - rebrand issue
Fury - overhyped? not overclockers dream? unable to overtake 980 Ti at time of release.
480 - power issue

Yeah it is unfortunate this occurs on the initial reviews of the ref cards.

Luckily either Drivers or AIB cards tend to fix most of the issues later on vs the competition.
390 was a rebrand 290 but with improved memory speed and clocks , so i guess same as 770 vs 680 there. So NV could / should have had the rebrand issue there too.
480 power issue is a bit disappointing , i think the only cards that should be considered are the AIBs to come just due to how close to power limits the ref design is.

Still most of the people that buy AMD have the sense to look at all of this subjectively and expect performance to improve with drivers etc - which does happen. In Dx12 the Fury(x) cards are now faster than the 1070 , so there has been progress.
Edited by Orthello - 7/3/16 at 5:16pm
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Well...overclocked my Nano a bit and 1100 MHz core clock at +12 mV seem to be the sweet spot (didn't change the RAM frequency). If I go higher with clock it gets unstable. If I then raise the voltage it starts clocking down. I guess I'm fine with it...so far everything runs great smile.gif .


Btw., temperatures under water are really good with this card. After a few hours of Doom, the GPU temp was at 37 °C (water temperature somewhere around room temperature at 28°C)

@Tgrove Nice Rig biggrin.gif
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Pity that AMD"s been having a rough time with releases.

290x - blower issue
390 series - rebrand issue
Fury - overhyped? not overclockers dream? unable to overtake 980 Ti at time of release.
480 - power issue

Well said, I hope the AIB 480's clock north on 1.4mhz on average for less than $260 US, they need some good news and fast.
    
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-Guys a friend of mine is in the market for new cards. He has his heart set on a pair of 480's. But I am a believer of the age old saying, 1 Big card over two little ones. And he is tossing and turning between the Fury X and 2 480's, especially since there is a Fury X he can get for 449 dollars. I said he should go Fury X. Thoughts?

single cards always a better gaming experience.
crossfire/sli a hit and miss
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Well, as an old timer I was waiting for the GTX 1080, and then when those sold out; Crossfire RX480's. I can say the best thing that happened was the price drop when all the new tech came out and sold out. Picked up my XFX R9 Fury X today at Fry's, and had them price match Newegg for $459.99. By far the best (and quietest) card I'll be getting in the next 12 months for less than $500 due to tech economics and the price hikes on Polaris/Pascal. Not going to wait for Vega, my old 7870 Ghz Edition was starting to choke with newer titles.





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Well, as an old timer I was waiting for the GTX 1080, and then when those sold out; Crossfire RX480's. I can say the best thing that happened was the price drop when all the new tech came out and sold out. Picked up my XFX R9 Fury X today at Fry's, and had them price match Newegg for $459.99. By far the best (and quietest) card I'll be getting in the next 12 months for less than $500 due to tech economics and the price hikes on Polaris/Pascal. Not going to wait for Vega, my old 7870 Ghz Edition was starting to choke with newer titles.

It's not a terrible purchase but it will suck if an AIB 480 performs at 90% of a fury X for up to $200 cheaper. Won't include the AIO cooling for that price though of course.
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It's not a terrible purchase but it will suck if an AIB 480 performs at 90% of a fury X for up to $200 cheaper. Won't include the AIO cooling for that price though of course.

Yeah, I agree with you. I mean that is if the prices are reasonable. The fact that all of these new cards are retailing $100-150 over MSRP is just killing me though. Not to mention, this route I do get the AIO cooler, and mature drivers. Mine doesn't even display any pump whine that I would consider a dealbreaker like many of the first Fury X's supposedly did.
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