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Ashes is installing now
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

No idea redface.gif .

I have not run Timespy as have yet to decide to take up Win 10 free offer by converting my retail Win 7 Pro license, may get an el cheapo grey market Win 10 Pro OEM key.

The thing that is coming across from others posts which are looking at power usage they are not reaching a level same as our usual benches (ie 3DM11, 3DM13 FS,E,U, Unigine, etc). Perhaps this has something to do with it, do you get negative scaling in AOTS?

Past few days I have been doing extensive testing using older driver Catalyst 15.7.1, Crimson v16.3.2 and v16.7.2 with non DX12 loads and I note:-

i) If I take an OC of say 1145MHz with +56mV and keep reducing voltage to +24mV in steps of 6mV I see better scaling by upto 1% consistently at +24mV vs +56mV. Bare in mind that 1145 +56mV is at the cusp of negative scaling for me. If I go over 1145MHz the negative scaling is greater and reducing voltage yields a greater % of positive scaling vs last mentioned test method.

ii) HBM oc'ing has no impact on negative scaling, you always gain same x % of gain from it at higher clock/gpu voltage and lower.

iii) Catalyst v15.71 performs lower than Crimson v16.3.2, plus has less of a positive scaling % as voltage is reduced for an OC. This older driver also does not have "Power Efficiency" feature so we see clock bounce at idle at desktop.

iv) Crimson v16.7.2 performs better than Catalyst v15.7.1, but slightly lower than Crimson v16.3.2 plus has less of a positive scaling % as voltage is reduced for an OC. This driver does have PE and switching on/off has no effect on negative scaling when experiencing it (same with Crimson v16.3.2).

I am updating Ashes now. As for power usage HWinfo is reporting 359 watts for me.

I ran Firestrike at the same voltage I ran Time Spy at and sure enough negative scaling. I lost 461 point on the Graphics score to be exact
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9369169/fs/9369392

However in Time Spy I am getting pretty much linear gains regardless of voltage, my card hitting a maximum of 1.356v on the core.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/73642/spy/73892/spy/82113

As far as drivers, 16.3.2 performs better in Firestrike, maybe Dx11 in general, than 16.6.2 and 16.7.2 does.
However Dx12 performance was worse on 16.3.2 with 16.6.2 performing the best.

Edit: I do get negative scaling in Ashes once I go past 1.256v
Edited by shadowxaero - 7/17/16 at 12:52pm
post #9172 of 11505
Anyone of you got a fury that can't have a stable OC past 1100+? I thought my 1120 OC @ 1.3 V set via bios for DMP7(it's more like 1.25+V when under load) was enough for all games but as it turns out some game are pretty sensitive to OC and I got driver stopped responding\BSODs errors and had to lower my core clock.(I don't feel comfortable going pat 1.3 V although i think I could coz cooling is great on trixx)

Am I the only one that unlucky ? biggrin.gif I managed to unlock my fury to 3840 but OCing -wise this card is atrocious..
post #9173 of 11505
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Anyone of you got a fury that can't have a stable OC past 1100+? I thought my 1120 OC @ 1.3 V set via bios for DMP7(it's more like 1.25+V when under load) was enough for all games but as it turns out some game are pretty sensitive to OC and I got driver stopped responding\BSODs errors and had to lower my core clock.(I don't feel comfortable going pat 1.3 V although i think I could coz cooling is great on trixx)

Am I the only one that unlucky ? biggrin.gif I managed to unlock my fury to 3840 but OCing -wise this card is atrocious..

i have 4 furyx and 2 of them appear to not oc well roughly around 1100\540, and the other two 1150/540 on stock voltages. i am also finding the ones that dont oc well sem to not respond with voltage. I am going to switch to Trixx for the ocing again to verify this is not specific to MSI AB but in fact may be just the cards.
post #9174 of 11505
Hello everyone,

I have question regarding the sapphire R9 fury tri-x owners.
Those of you that own this card,
1. How much coil whine do you have?
2. Any way to solve this issue without returning the card?
3. Any chance that a full cover water block will remove or reduce the coil whine?

PS:
For me its more noticeable in benchmarking and also when the frame rate is high or very high.
In game its slightly low buzzing noise which can be heard over the fun noise.
post #9175 of 11505
Coil whine is inevitable. You can buy top tier PSU, you can change voltage, you can try different clock speeds, but you will have it anyway. There are some people who don't hear it, for example my father is completely deaf to this sound even though his hearing is very good and he hears every little buzz from the fans. But if you can hear it then you are more or less screwed. This is only one thing in the industry that prevents silent gaming. You can get good fans and set them at slow RPM, you can get quiet GPU, you can get completely silent CPU cooler, but there will always be this stupid whining noise that will ruin all your silent build attempts. Cooler got quiet and efficient, noisy HDDs were replaced by silent SSDs, but coil whine is still there and it is not going anywhere. I had only one GPU with not annoying and little whine but it started to whine like crazy after few months anyway, and all of other cards I had were whining out of the box.

This is actually only reason why I ever returned GPU, actually 3 of them right now out of 5 ever purchased. Asus 270x DCU II and MSI 980 Ti Gaming were okay at the beginning (and both started to whine after some time) and Asus 980 Strix, EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid and Sapphire 390 Nitro were whining like crazy.

I don't like headphones and I prefer playing with 5.1 speakers, but it looks like I will have to look for some super comfortable headset and isolate myself from ambient noise because this only way how you can avoid coil whine.
Edited by Krzych04650 - 7/17/16 at 3:44pm
post #9176 of 11505
#6 in HOF for 4 x
http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0/4+gpu
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Dagget340 --- 5960x@4.6 -- 4x FuryX@ 1150/540-1150/540-1100/540-1100/540 --- score 16100

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13369730?


I am happy for what it is i guess. thumb.gif (it wont last long )
post #9177 of 11505
@ Krzych04650
Well then since I'm screwed I will try with the GPU block since its arriving tomorrow and see what can be achieved by that.
Otherwise its either move the PC from the table to a more far place than ~30 cm away from me or return the GPU.

Thank u for ur thoughts on the matter.
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how did you check the SP?

GPU-Z smile.gif .




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Originally Posted by dagget3450 View Post

Also, i have a question for you if you don't mind. I have a furyx that says ASIC score of 64% it appears to be highest of my 4 cards. However it wont Oc for nothing. I cant go past 1100 core stock or even with voltage. I thought i saw somewhere ASIC is meaningless for fiji. My question is though do you think i can do anything to the card to help it? I was debating taking it apart to see if its not making good contact on cooler.

any thoughts?

ASIC quality does mean something but not the way generally it is thought of.

I have learned what it means for us (as in AMD owners) by reading The Stilt's posts. It can be hard to make people believe it is as The Stilt states, a few times I've had members think I'm kookoo.gif IMO ( biggrin.gif ) .

Besides in the OP of Hawaii bios mod ("What is ASIC Quality?") I posted that same info in Fiji ASIC quality thread, short post , long post, then you also wanna read this. The cards in the last linked post were complete crap for OC'ing even though 65/68% ASIC rating (bad ASIC IMO). I will dig up the data from my other rig, suffice to say they needed like +50mV to reach 1100MHz or 1110MHz. My stabilty testing is harsh compared to others from reading their posts. I will at times do 2-3 hrs each of Heaven/Valley/3DM13 looped and 12-24hrs solid f@h. I work from home and have an open plan living space so can keep an eye on them whilst getting on with my daily routine. The 7 Fiji cards I had at times they were running without powering down for a break whilst being tested to determine which 1 I keep.

So basically I use ASIC quality to know how leaky the ASIC is. Coupled with that VID per DPM is also what I use to deem if it is bad or good asic within a leakage level.

But as always how a card reacts to OC'ing is still plain old "silicon lottery".

One of the 7 cards I had was stonkingly high leakage ASIC (ie high ASIC quality) it had DPM 7 1.187V, it scaled the best and allowed more voltage before negative scaling kicked in but within <14days it stopped holding an OC which it had been fine with in the first week. The one in my sig I've had the longest and been through hell with me redface.gif but is the best of them all IMO biggrin.gif.

I don't know if removing cooler will aid you, how I see it we can aim to improve OC ability with cooling, bios, which driver we use, etc but if the silicon can't do it, it just won't.
Edited by gupsterg - 7/17/16 at 3:49pm
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Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung Evo 840 ThermalRight Archon IB-E X2 + 2x TY143 ThermalRight TY-143 2x front case intake Arctic Cooling F12 + 2x F9 as rear case exhaust 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 Pro x64 Asus MG279Q Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 
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SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
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post #9179 of 11505
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@ Krzych04650
Well then since I'm screwed I will try with the GPU block since its arriving tomorrow and see what can be achieved by that.
Otherwise its either move the PC from the table to a more far place than ~30 cm away from me or return the GPU.

Thank u for ur thoughts on the matter.

Having your PC as close as 30 cm from your sitting place is always horrible idea, you can hear every little buzz and whine from this place. I was talking about having PC below the desk. Having PC on the desk is just asking for acoustic issues. But with coil whine it is a bit different, it will whine all around the room and no sound dumped case or desk can stop it anyway.
Edited by Krzych04650 - 7/17/16 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Krzych04650 View Post

Having your PC as close as 30 cm from your sitting place is always horrible idea, you can hear every little buzz and whine from this place. I was talking about having PC below the desk. Having PC on the desk is just asking for acoustic issues. But with coil whine it is a bit different, it will whine all around the room and no sound dumped case or desk can stop it anyway.

I thought all the cool kids had VR goggles glued to their heads with massive around the ear headphones. biggrin.gif



They could have one of these

and wouldnt know it biggrin.gif
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