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Originally Posted by N0rm View Post

Nice retailer you have there.

Meanwhile at NCIXus and Newegg, the XL2730Z is US$630.

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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

You really ought to do more research...

Acer Announces $499 Price Tag For XG270HU FreeSync Monitor
So yes you're right the $200 cheaper BS is debunked, because it'll actually be $250+ cheaper lachen.gif

I will grant that it's not on the market yet, however that BenQ XL2730Z you're quoting is, and it's going for $630 on Newegg. Quoting a higher price on Amazong doesn't make your point valid, especially when the ROG Swift is also going for $780 on Newegg.

Please stop cherry picking data to "prove" your points, seriously.

If the prices stabilize and remain there, then it's great, otherwise, from NCIX:
www.ncix.com/detail/benq-xl2730z-27in-wqhd-2560x1440-2d-105802.htm
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Savings Code 105802-1202. SAVE $171.00 off our regular price of $799.99 if you buy today! Special price ends 04/01/2015. Limit 1 per customer.

Why is the ROG swift THE monitor to compare to? Are you guys aware that other Gsync monitors exist?

Tom's claims $799 on the Acer Gsync monitor, is this the one they're talking about?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-657
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Having 2 + latests GPUs i am always above my monitor refresh rate of 60Hz so if i where to replace my monitor with a 60Hz VRR screen i will never see the benefit.

This means you need a greater-than-60Hz display.
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This means you need a greater-than-60Hz display.

Maybe once a good bigger then 27 inch 1440p 144Hz IPS is out i might get it.
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post #334 of 708
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Why is the ROG swift THE monitor to compare to? Are you guys aware that other Gsync monitors exist?

Tom's claims $799 on the Acer Gsync monitor, is this the one they're talking about?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-657

The ROG Swift is the monitor to compare to because it is the only one that has been out for a while. That is not the Acer Tom's is talking about, it is the XB270HU bprz. It does seem like this Acer is even better than the Swift, a bit slower but IPS and with less overdrive artifacts (and no 3D support). There are reports of quality issues with it too though, mostly backlight bleed and dead pixels.
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I agree with you that FreeSync monitors will sell for quite a bit less than G-sync ones. However, I am sure the prices at this point are market based, not technology based, so a much lower price for FreeSync displays shows an expectation that they have to be cheaper in order to sell rather than them being significantly cheaper to make. None of these displays are priced with razor thin margins, they are priced as high as they can be while still selling.

I am curious, would you actually buy any of the FreeSync displays currently out? With the ghosting issues on these first FreeSync displays (and ULMB on the Swift) an extra $300 for the Swift sounds reasonable. A >60 Hz panel without any overdrive just seems pointless to me.

Trust me, if I cared that much about tearing I would've bought the ROG Swift already. Can't really comment on ghosting per se, because watching side by side comparison videos on Youtube I really can't say I can see ghosting in actual gaming. Also apparently I had "TraceFree" (the overdrive setting on my VG248QE) off the 2 years I owned this panel, so I think I should be ok LOL

No but seriously, at this point I just want a cheap 144Hz 1440p panel period. Ideally I'd like a panel without any bundled Sync crap (sorry tongue.gif) to keep the costs even lower, but that doesn't seem like it'll happen anytime soon, so the cheapest 144Hz 1440p panel (whether G-Sync or Freesync) gets my money. The Sync stuff will just be icing on the cake should I happen to use GPUs supported by that monitor.

(I'm going to sound like a broken record, but yes I realize the existence of "overclockable to 120Hz" 1440p IPS panels, and I would've jumped on those if they interested me in the least)
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Having 2 + latests GPUs i am always above my monitor refresh rate of 60Hz so if i where to replace my monitor with a 60Hz VRR screen i will never see the benefit.

I have not watched the video yet, but it should act at least like triple buffered vsync (constantly drawing and using newest frame, rather than drawing as fast as possible then sitting idle until a buffer opens up)

If all of your frametimes are way faster than 16.67ms, then yea i guess you wouldn't see benefit.. - Unless you played some highly CPU bound games

Starcraft 2 for example has widely variable frametimes, so by the time your FPS dips to 80, you're having frames take longer than 16.67ms (60fps) thrown in there and you'd start to see benefit - but it drops much lower than that regularly, even on the best CPU's, particularly in team games

there are some other games that do that, mostly in MMO/RTS genre.

Also yea you need >60hz. Need biggrin.gif

I can't stand 60hz, i keep my input dependant games around 120-150 generally but dips to ~80 at the lowest are about where i can play without it feeling completely awful. There's little excuse not to have a ~100-144hz monitor if you care about lag, smoothness and/or blur in a significant way. The only reasons that i really think are solid against it are:

1; money

2; preference for image quality while gaming at the cost of a greater delay before stuff is shown on your screen, having a rather unsmooth image (a 20% gain in smoothness feels great, a 140% gain is mind blowing) and having your pretty image blurred anyway by eye tracking movement on the lower FPS.

3; gaming isn't the main purpose of system, it's your work system etc that you just play games on, and you don't care enough or have enough money to buy two seperate monitors
Edited by Cyro999 - 3/27/15 at 7:13pm
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Trust me, if I cared that much about tearing I would've bought the ROG Swift already. Can't really comment on ghosting per se, because watching side by side comparison videos on Youtube I really can't say I can see ghosting in actual gaming. Also apparently I had "TraceFree" (the overdrive setting on my VG248QE) off the 2 years I owned this panel, so I think I should be ok LOL

No but seriously, at this point I just want a cheap 144Hz 1440p panel period. Ideally I'd like a panel without any bundled Sync crap (sorry tongue.gif) to keep the costs even lower, but that doesn't seem like it'll happen anytime soon, so the cheapest 144Hz 1440p panel (whether G-Sync or Freesync) gets my money. The Sync stuff will just be icing on the cake should I happen to use GPUs supported by that monitor.

(I'm going to sound like a broken record, but yes I realize the existence of "overclockable to 120Hz" 1440p IPS panels, and I would've jumped on those if they interested me in the least)

That sounds a bit random to me, why go for 144 Hz if you don't care about smoothness? Why not an overclocked IPS if you don't care about response times? Ah well, to each their own and it is your money, but in your case a decent 60 Hz IPS with v-sync off sounds like a better deal then some crap 144 Hz monitor.
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Trust me, if I cared that much about tearing I would've bought the ROG Swift already. Can't really comment on ghosting per se, because watching side by side comparison videos on Youtube I really can't say I can see ghosting in actual gaming. Also apparently I had "TraceFree" (the overdrive setting on my VG248QE) off the 2 years I owned this panel, so I think I should be ok LOL

No but seriously, at this point I just want a cheap 144Hz 1440p panel period. Ideally I'd like a panel without any bundled Sync crap (sorry tongue.gif) to keep the costs even lower, but that doesn't seem like it'll happen anytime soon, so the cheapest 144Hz 1440p panel (whether G-Sync or Freesync) gets my money. The Sync stuff will just be icing on the cake should I happen to use GPUs supported by that monitor.

(I'm going to sound like a broken record, but yes I realize the existence of "overclockable to 120Hz" 1440p IPS panels, and I would've jumped on those if they interested me in the least)

You may not care, but synced, variable refresh is a strictly superior way of displaying video.
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The ROG Swift is the monitor to compare to because it is the only one that has been out for a while. That is not the Acer Tom's is talking about, it is the XB270HU bprz. It does seem like this Acer is even better than the Swift, a bit slower but IPS and with less overdrive artifacts (and no 3D support). There are reports of quality issues with it too though, mostly backlight bleed and dead pixels.

Ok thanks for the clarification, just noticed that one was 1080p. doh.gif

All I was getting at was that the ROG tax never makes for good comparisons if you know what I mean. wink.gif

Get a ROG FreeSync Monitor, then compare away. thumb.gif
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So my BenQ XL2730Z is here. And I think it's time to put this harping on the ghosting issue to rest. I own several monitors: acer 1080p 120hz tn panel, two acer 1080p 60hz ips panels, an older dell panel, and the only panels where you can see any sort of ghosting (which is VERY obvious) are the two acer ips panels. Then BenQ with freesync enabled in games, performs the same as my ACER 120hz panel, no visible ghosting in any games, and incredibly smooth performance above 40fps. I've played GW2, Metro 2033 Redux, BL The Pre-sequel, Bioshock Infinite, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, and Crysis, and I've yet to see ghosting and I believe myself to be very sensitive to motion. If there is ghosting, and I'm sure all these demos, the ufotest, and other similar ghosting specific test software will show there is some, its generally the same case for most panels, you simply aren't going to see it in games; go look at the ufotests for the Swift and other high Hz, gsync panels, ips, tn etc if you really want to go out of your way to argue this point. I'm hoping to borrow a highspeed camera some time in the next few weeks to display some actual gaming sessions with freesync enabled on this monitor. Aside from me being sensitive to this issue or not, I'm incredibly impressed by Freesync and this panel. I will most certainly be looking more into limits and issues if there are any in the next week once I have time.
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