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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

Ok thanks for the clarification, just noticed that one was 1080p. doh.gif

All I was getting at was that the ROG tax never makes for good comparisons if you know what I mean. wink.gif

Get a ROG FreeSync Monitor, then compare away. thumb.gif

Oh good point, I also think we are still in "new tech" mode and prices are not what they will be after the excitement dies down and more options are available. The ROG is TN while the Acer is IPS but they are the same price. wink.gif

At the moment most of any price difference is due to a difference in demand not a difference in the BOM.
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That sounds a bit random to me, why go for 144 Hz if you don't care about smoothness? Why not an overclocked IPS if you don't care about response times? Ah well, to each their own and it is your money, but in your case a decent 60 Hz IPS with v-sync off sounds like a better deal then some crap 144 Hz monitor.

Why do you assume the 144Hz monitor is crap? In any case the smoothness when going from 60Hz to 144Hz is easily noticeable, even with overdrive off. I'll have to play with overdrive to see if I notice any difference.

Why not an overclocked IPS? Because they don't guarantee it's always overclockable to 120Hz, and you can forget about warranty if you buy a Korean panel. Overlord Tempests are just too overpriced for what they are. I have an IPS panel at work so I know how it compares to a TN panel, but I don't have picky eyes so I'm fine with either.

Also FWIW my 17" DTR laptop has a 90% NTSC gamut TN panel (AUO B173HW01 v4), and at least to my eyes I can honestly say the color quality is in no way at all inferior to my IPS panel at work.
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Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post

You may not care, but synced, variable refresh is a strictly superior way of displaying video.

I didn't say it wasn't did I? Simply lamenting the fact that there isn't a 144Hz 1440p panel without VRR technology bundled in, thus driving up their prices. Having more choices is never a bad thing. Those who are sensitive and bothered by tearing can go for VRR panels, while folks like me can pick up a non-VRR panel and save a few bucks. thumb.gif
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Ok thanks for the clarification, just noticed that one was 1080p. doh.gif

All I was getting at was that the ROG tax never makes for good comparisons if you know what I mean. wink.gif

Get a ROG FreeSync Monitor, then compare away. thumb.gif

Well if we really wanted to be fair a 1080p G-Sync panel could be had for $400 on Newegg. That IMO is a ridiculously good price, considering the G-Sync premium is about $200 already. The PC Monitors review also appear to be decent.

That said, here is the "full" list of G-Sync monitors. It's still missing the Acer XB270HU because that panel was just released. But thus far the XB270HU and the ROG Swift are the only two 144Hz 1440p panels. The Acer Acer XB280HK is a 60Hz 4K panel, and could be had for $634 @ NCIX right now, so that's also a very good deal.

But until more G-Sync monitors are released, the ROG Swift and the XB270HU are the only two 1440p monitors to compare against in terms of pricing, and neither is cheap for their own reasons.
Edited by magnek - 3/27/15 at 10:12pm
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Why do you assume the 144Hz monitor is crap? In any case the smoothness when going from 60Hz to 144Hz is easily noticeable, even with overdrive off. I'll have to play with overdrive to see if I notice any difference.

I assumed it was crap simply because you said the cheapest 1440p 144 Hz. The first one available might be OK but I have noticed that the cheapest monitor of a class is usually not very good. If you do not want to spend enough to get a good 144 Hz monitor a high quality 60 Hz would be my preferred choice as I cannot handle bad colors or gamma. It sounds like you aren't very picky about some aspects of* image quality though so maybe this is moot.

edit: *added "some aspects of", I am sure you care about many aspects of image quality.
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

Those who are sensitive and bothered by tearing can go for VRR panels, while folks like me can pick up a non-VRR panel and save a few bucks. thumb.gif

The smoothness improvement of VRR is significant compared to 144 Hz without VRR. If you care about smoothness you care about VRR, it isn't only about tearing at all. In my experience 90 Hz G-sync is a lot smoother than 90 Hz no-sync on a 144 Hz display. Of course the difference is not as significant as the difference between 60 Hz and 144 Hz in the first place so you do get part of the way there with only 144 Hz and no VRR. If you want as smooth as possible you need VRR, if you only want better than 60 Hz 144 Hz no-sync is probably fine.

edit: if you only want better than 60, a 110 Hz OC on an Overlord would be great (all four of mine could do at least 115 Hz with tuning, 110 Hz is np). Their response times aren't great so you do get some blurring/ghosting, this makes the motion feel smoother and it is not a terribly obvious artifact (similar to the ghosting on the FreeSync displays) so they might be exactly what you are looking for. The overclocking is a pain though so I completely understand avoiding them. Competing with these OC monitors might be one of the reasons no one has released an official high refresh rate 1440p monitor without VRR. frown.gif
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Well I spent almost $400 on the VG248QE when it came out. IIRC it was definitely not the cheapest in class, but the out-of-box color was still crap and washed out, but a little gamma adjustment took care of everything and I'm still using it 2 years later. You're right and as I've said several times, I'm not picky about image quality so long as it passes a certain baseline I stop caring.

No comment on VRR smoothness because I'll have to try for myself to find out. Again I'm plenty happy with the smoothness 144Hz offers, and certainly more smoothness is always great, but this is where the "is it worth the cost" part kicks in for me. If say for 20% more smoothness I have to shell out $200 extra, then I'd rather put that $200 toward either a better GPU or extra/better SSD for example. I suppose I prioritize hardware differently if that makes sense. I get where you're coming from though because I'm like that but with SSDs. I can definitely perceive the differences in snappiness between different SSDs, and thus I don't mind spending a bit more for what *I* perceive to be the snappiest SSD (and no it's not Samsung's 850 Pro!).

To be clear, I'm saying please offer some "standalone" 144Hz 1440p panels, and let me, the end user, decide whether the Sync premium is worth it or not, instead of you the manufacturer making that decision for me.

In any case, all this discussion is moot because until someone comes out with a non-VRR 144Hz 1440p panel, there will some kind of VRR technology bundled in.
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I don't have tearing with vsync off in any games I play whether it's Borderlands, League of legends, even Dragon age 3. Gsync/freesync is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist for me. The only time I've seen tearing in the last many years is when I tried to run Torchlight 2 on Linux and it was a chop fest. Zero tearing on Windows though.

I don't think I could get noticeable tearing unless I ran like 3 virus scanners at the same time and use some bizarre mouse settings like 3/11 cursor speed instead of 6/11.
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I don't have tearing with vsync off in any games I play whether it's Borderlands, League of legends, even Dragon age 3. Gsync/freesync is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist for me. The only time I've seen tearing in the last many years is when I tried to run Torchlight 2 on Linux and it was a chop fest. Zero tearing on Windows though.

I don't think I could get noticeable tearing unless I ran like 3 virus scanners at the same time and use some bizarre mouse settings like 3/11 cursor speed instead of 6/11.
Sounds like you're either blind, or you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Or his tv/monitor has a scaler and is resampling the buffer.. or who knows what. Either way yeah, simply not happening as explained lol.
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Sounds like you're either blind, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

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I can just about handle flame war over gpu and cpu and in some cases its had me laughing, but now we are going to a buy a monitor that is dictated by a gpu.

Sad, sad, sad redface.gif

You just paid £620 for your Asus PG278Q ROG Swift 27" G-Sync 144Hz and the 390X comes out, twice as fast the Titan X

Ebay next day - I used card and monitor for sale biggrin.gif
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I can just about handle flame war over gpu and cpu and in some cases its had me laughing, but now we are going to a buy a monitor that is dictated by a gpu.

Sad, sad, sad redface.gif

You just paid £620 for your Asus PG278Q ROG Swift 27" G-Sync 144Hz and the 390X comes out, twice as fast the Titan X

Ebay next day - I used card and monitor for sale biggrin.gif

Why? It's not like the monitor won't work with a different card. You lose the VRR but it doesn't make the monitor obsolete. And it works both ways, so it's not an Nvidia only problem.
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