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¯\(°_o)/¯ - 790i Ultra chipset?
I know what you are thinking...

"Umm... a 790i Ultra chipset? You mean the same one from 2008?
This chipset is dead and out of production, why on earth would you start a thread for this chipset in 2015?"


Φ A bit of background first, from a GAMER's perspective...let's have some fun wink.gif

If you are someone that knows the history of CPU chipsets and their capabilities and restrictions you may have noticed a trend the past 10 years or so...This trend has EVERYTHING to do with Moore's Law. I'm not going to cover Moore's law itself, it is a whole separate topic. This was just the core reason Intel and Amd needed to get crafty to sell processors at the same rate.

To make a very very long drawn out explanation shorter, when processors started to basically run out of headroom to go faster in clock speed, they were forced to just add more cores instead. Dual core, triple core (yup there were), Quad core, 6 core and now we are seeing 8 core pretty much mainstream.
Top Xeons have even more cores, like a crazy amount...

Consumers instantly went from a guaranteed performance increase with a 'CPU UPGRADE' to more of a "well depends" situation.

We saw how older single core CPUs were running at HIGHER clock speeds.
They were faster than newer dual core CPUs were, and winning at just about every "real world" test...
Software AT THE TIME that most consumers ran couldn't really take advantage of the extra core.

This meant many of us spend thousands of dollars on an upgrade, because of COURSE we needed a new chipset, new socket, new memory type, etc. etc. only to find out we may have not actually see much of a performance increase (if you are one of those that always wants the latest and greatest).

Fast forward to Quad cores, same deal.. it happened all over again..
Software is JUST NOW getting to the point where most of it will fully utilize 4 cores.
Intel adds hyperthreading back... everyone loves to look at all the CPU graphs in task manager wink.gif
But we really couldn't use the extra 4 hyper-threading cores much and still can't today.
A quad with hyper-threading is 8 cores... what games are programmed to take advantage of 8 cores?
How many people went out an bought a Core i7 for that specific reason?

Ever see a minimum requirement on ANY game for 6 cores? Nope...

Six cores, yup same thing happened all over again to consumers...(12 cores looks cool in task manager.. businesssmiley.png)
Eight core CPUs are more common now. A whopping 16 cores in task manager.! thumb.gif..
12 of which are not specifically programmed for in games (I didn't say they wouldn't be used).

PCI-E lane limitations! exclamation.gif
P35, P45, Z series, etc etc how many chipsets do we need when almost nothing really changes!??
How many of these chipsets have HORRIBLY LOW PCI-E lanes?? (MOST)

So back to the purpose of this thread applaud.gif

So what IS the purpose of this thread? - 2 reasons

(1) I want to give credit where it is due! The NVIDIA 790i Ultra chipset wasn't perfect, and had some quirks of its own but should be considered a bit of a "going out on top" thing for NVIDIA. This was the last consumer chipset NVIDIA ever produced. This platform in 2008 was ahead of its time and with thanks MOSTLY to the issue following Moore's law lately, is actually still (barely) holding its own today in 2015. People were stuffing GTX 8800's in their systems in 2008 and today people are stuffing GTX 980's in them! They perform VERY well when tweaked just the right way for games and handle large PCI-E demands. Unfortunately they are limited to 8GB of ram because I think if they weren't the legacy might even have lasted longer.

I want to be clear, this is a VERY OLD chipset, and EVERYTHING NEW beats it.. There is no doubt, the newer boards are better, faster, more bling, features like M.2, SATA6, USB3 *BUT* take a look at what was brought to us in 2008... Not as a sales pitch or to suggest that everyone run out and pick one up used, but when you consider it is 2015 and we actually don't have MUCH BETTER than what we got back in 2008...

» 60 PCI-E Lanes
   ↑ Umm.. yeah... can't touch it..
» PCI Express 2.0 (GPUs still do not really exceed this limit today [16Gbps])
» DDR3 @ 2000Mhz (max) (We are just now seeing DDR4)
» SLI 16x16x16 (2.0/1.0/2.0)
» 1600 FSB and 45nm CPU support

and here it is 2015 and we are still playing the multiple socket, PCI-E lane limitation games..
INTEL IS EVEN LIMITING LANES IN THE PROCESSOR ITSELF!?! WTH

Despite what many might say, the 790i Ultra chipset was ahead of its time and a solid, quality platform. Unfortunately there were a lot of issues with the 780i chipset that gave the 790i a bad name, but were actually not applicable to the 790i at all...


(2) One of my computers I have is actually a 790i Ultra. In fact, I still have 2 running with this chipset. I have had a REALLY FUN TIME OVERCLOCKING this platform. Again, I wouldn't suggest that anyone go out any BUY ONE (lol), but IF you happen to have a 790i Ultra chipset you can simply throw a decent cooler on it and get ~4 Ghz relatively easily with a quad core. That's a frequency any game will thank you for.

If you've got one hanging around, it make a good overclocking project and since I may be one of the last ones around still familiar with the 790i Ultra with regard to overclocking, I figured I would offer my assistance so I'm throwing this out there and including a bit of my perspective and recognition for a piece of hardware that still compares today.

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EDIT: GREAT post on 16GB with 790i Ultra!
http://www.overclock.net/t/1547699/790i-ultra-nvidia-chipset-anyone-else-still-rockin-in-2015-2016-2017-overclocking-gaming/300#post_25812137
and
http://www.overclock.net/t/1547699/790i-ultra-nvidia-chipset-anyone-else-still-rockin-in-2015-2016-2017-overclocking-gaming/300#post_25812178
Edited by Laithan - 1/31/17 at 5:01pm
post #2 of 522
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I think it is fair to show what the platform can do, and what overclocking it will do.
This is with a QX9770 but to be honest, I was able to clock my Q9550 to 4.4Ghz so you definitely don't need an extreme proc to do this.

Pictures speak louder than words. thumb.gif


░▒▓│CPU-Z │▓▒░



On this particular PC this is my "24x7" overclock. It is completely stable even with the high bus speed.
If you are wondering about the voltage, the whole PC is on water but this could be done on good air cooling also.




░▒▓│AIDA64 │▓▒░




The QX9650 is approximately the same performance as a stock QX9770 (QX9770 scores slightly better) to give you an idea where the QX9770 would normally score when not overclocked. Not a bad read performance gain from this overclock!



You have to admit, that's pretty impressive isn't it, especially considering the AMD just above it has an integrated memory controller! winksmiley02.gif.



Beating an i7 proc, interesting!



and I do have an LSI PCI-E x8 in the x16 1.0 slot.


I know there are newer versions of AIDA64 and newer processors can destroy these synthetic benchmarks. For me anyway, as primarily a gamer, an overclocked Quad core CPU and (2) GTX 980's in SLI (water cooled and also overclocked) allows me to play any game at max settings and I also game @4K. Even though there are SO MANY newer and faster processors, they really don't matter for games it is all about the GPUs.

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The last time I got this much value from a piece of computer hardware was when I bought my USRobotics Courier 28.8Kbps modem, and throughout all the years of modem technology just kept flashing it (for free) all the way up to 56K v.90! typer.gif
post #3 of 522
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I thought I'd at least get one troll reply headscratch.gif
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I'd post about DX12 but I'd be accused of talking to myself and they might come take me away drunken.gif
post #4 of 522
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I'm still talking to myself, which is ok because I always ignore myself anyway... lol

Check this out though, everyone knows GTAV is going to be huge for PC. I find it VERY interesting that this was said regarding 4K specs:

"To run the game on a 4K display at 30fps," says Hoare, "you’ll need at minimum an AMD HD 7870 or Nvidia GTX 760 with 2GB of VRAM." As for the 4K at 60 frames-per-second, that'll require a "high-end SLI or Crossfire setup."


No mention of CPU or cores or memory...
I pre-ordered so it will be interesting to see how well GTA V plays on such an old PC. I'll do some benchies smile.gif

I am itching to upgrade, and maybe this will be the game that gives me the motivation through "chug" ... We shall see tongue.gif
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Nice post. Yes for single tasks these older systems still hold up shockingly well actually. thumb.gif

Where you will start to find large differences between a C2Q setup and a newer i7 Sandy/Ivy/Haswell is in multi-tasking.
Now how much of that you do when you just game is variable.

Now how much juice is that beast pulling from the wall?? tongue.gif
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post #6 of 522
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I have one of those power meter thingies (highly technical term) in-line with my PS and at max load I can draw close to 800 watts. It is mostly my GPUs also (running a custom water BIOS) so I guess I would assume that may be high compared to newer i7's but not like 70's electric heater bad tongue.gif
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Looks like that board is going to last you even longer with dx12. I can see how bad those gpus are choked at 1080 firestrike, but that ultra smashes what my 780tis can do! I also game 4k so ultra is all that really matters to me as well. It's not like you will have to reduce the resolution with those 980s.
Is that thing still in a 2008 case? If so, great theft deterrence.
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Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post

Looks like that board is going to last you even longer with dx12. I can see how bad those gpus are choked at 1080 firestrike, but that ultra smashes what my 780tis can do! I also game 4k so ultra is all that really matters to me as well. It's not like you will have to reduce the resolution with those 980s.
Is that thing still in a 2008 case? If so, great theft deterrence.

I actually just bought a new case and a bunch of other stuff (well over a grand), and just put my same board/cpu/memory back in tongue.gif

I agree with DX12, it will make graphics even less CPU dependent. My only question is whether or not I will have any chipset drivers for Windows 10 poke.gif
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Only one way to find out!
If it means anything I took an asus M2N61-AR - Nvidia geforce6150le/nforce430 chipset board on my hp slimline s3220n to windows 8.1 and the improvement over vista was unbelievable. That old Nvidia oc software with that speeding up gnome even worked in 8.1, although the results were limited by my bios.

Jamming a decent watercooling setup in an old tower does seem kind of silly. Most of them were pretty skinny and didn't have too many options.

I spent around 900 on my cpu/mb/mem and after seeing your ultra scores, I think I'll save the money from upgrading that for gpu upgrades for as long as I can.
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Ok, GTA V PC launch day! thumb.gif

How does grandpa hold up?

Display: 3840x2160 (FullScreen) @ 59Hz VSync OFF

This is basically all display settings maxxed except AA is off (but FXAA on, and reflection AA on) because I'm @ 4K. Advanced graphics left untouched.


Settings used (Click to show)
=== SYSTEM ===
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1 Build 7601)
DX Feature Level: 11.0
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU X9770 @ 3.20GHz (4 CPUs) ~4.2GHz
8192MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4153MB Driver Version 350.12
Graphics Card Vendor Id 0x10de with Device ID 0x13c0

=== SETTINGS ===
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TXAA_Enabled: false
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DoF: true
HdStreamingInFlight: false
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Who woulda thunk... tongue.gif
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