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In the mean time.. Intel is up to the same stuff YET AGAIN...

I'm ranting because anyone reading this thread knows I'm itching for an upgrade (lol).. I was HOPEFUL that Skylake would be something to consider but not gonna happen..

SKYLAKE



Well that's a HUGE disappointment....

Ok, Intel congrats for finally getting the base clock speed a bit higher.. this indicates overclocking to ~5+ Ghz may be somewhat easily obtainable..

I think the limitation of 4 REAL cores (regardless of which model you choose) is also not that out of the ordinary as this CPU is targeted for "Gamers".. Gamers only need a quad core ATM (with a high clock speed) and who cares about hyper-threading....

But here we are again, repeating the SAME RITUAL Intel has been repeating for the last 8 years!

"Thanks for being loyal customers everyone.. Time for a NEW SOCKET, NEW CHIPSET, NEW MEMORY and most likely a NEW COOLER too.. "

You can plan to have to re-install your O/S (I would) so this is a MAJOR "UPGRADE", or I should say a MAJOR PIA EXPENSIVE WASTE OF TIME!

Who the heck wants DDR4? NOBODY.. Nobody needs it for gaming.

Ok maybe I am wrong, let's review the facts.. Intel is offering us... umm.. well let's see there's PCI-e 3.0.. oh we already had that long ago (we still don't really even exceed PCI-e 2.0).. Umm let's see, ummm... errrr... uhhhh.. smart cache? How about SMART CONSUMERS! rolleyes.gif

OK STOP.. Intel -please STOP treating the consumer like an IDIOT...

I am blown away at how Intel re-sells us the SAME TECH OVER AND OVER again..

There's NOTHING NEW HERE..

An entirely new platform just to have exactly WHAT MOST OF US ALREADY HAD...Then on top of it all, they limit PCI-e lanes to 16.

16...
Yes..
16 stinkin lanes..

So thanks Intel for boosting the clock speeds for gaming and then shafting us immediately after.
NO, there is NO 16x16 SLI..
So my PCI-e RAID card and SLI GPU's won't be compatible with this platform.. not enough bandwidth to go around.

We just went through a round of the PCI-e lane limitation game with consumers and last gen CPUs.. we need to be have a voice to say we aren't stupid!

It is clear Intel is milking us all yet again..

There is evidence of intentionally limiting the processor and/or chipset for the sake of limiting the product life span. These intentional limitations (they are CERTAINLY NOT TECHNOLOGICAL limitations, we can and already HAVE produced CPUs with many more lanes, etc). I also see this as a backward promotion for x99. Get us "coming or going".

I hope sales reflect the public's lack of enthusiasm and I hope that people see through all the marketing and hype..


Look at NVIDIA and AMD.. In the same 8 years they have demonstrated that they can double performance every year basically (I don't know exact stats). They are coming up with NEW ARCHITECTURES that DRASTICALLY improve performance. They are still using 28nm and yet we have amazing GPUs using Maxwell architecture (for example the Titan X and 980Ti).

When will we get CPUs that DRASTICALLY improve performance again like we did back in the day?


End of rant
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Edited by Laithan - 8/7/15 at 1:26pm
post #32 of 509
LoL top rant man! I see where you are coming from.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that--we're talking about PCIe 3.0 here, not 2.0. I'm assuming that 3.0 4x (effectively 2.0 8x)is enough for a GPU.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that--we're talking about PCIe 3.0 here, not 2.0. I'm assuming that 3.0 4x (effectively 2.0 8x)is enough for a GPU.

Yes it is but then your paying to have a slower socket in the end if you use more than 16 lanes.

If you SLI 2 cards it will bottleneck some, and if you use 3 cards you will be greatly bottlenecked.

Simply from a platform perspective it isn't worth upgrading to.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that--we're talking about PCIe 3.0 here, not 2.0. I'm assuming that 3.0 4x (effectively 2.0 8x)is enough for a GPU.

Actually PCI-e 2.0 8X CAN be exceeded by a 980/980Ti.. With PCI-e 2.0, it is really essential to use the x16 slots for best performance.

However with PCI-e 3.0, 8X is perfectly fine as that is the equivalent of PCI-e 2.0 x16 but PCI-e 3.0 4x is the equivalent of PCI-e 2.0 8x and not sufficient.


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Yes it is but then your paying to have a slower socket in the end if you use more than 16 lanes.

If you SLI 2 cards it will bottleneck some, and if you use 3 cards you will be greatly bottlenecked.

Simply from a platform perspective it isn't worth upgrading to.

It really isn't worth it at ALL! NOBODY, not even ME with a 2008 RIG can justify it being "worth it". The only VALUE I would get would be the fun building it.

I think this time it is so blatantly obvious as to the MOTIVE... To quote myself "Re-selling the same tech over again". This is such a repeat of what they beat to death already. It is a bit OBVIOUS the NEXT version will have more PCI-e lanes so they can sell us a new chipset and CPU platform for that also, so essentially whatever is going to replace the x99.. Forcing consumers to buy the "super expensive x99" version because the "budget" version is so limited it won't meet their needs... I didn't even check how much max memory is supported but I am suspecting they limited that too..

Do we REALLY NEED 2 separate chipsets and 2 separate sockets? I was perfectly happy back when there was a single chipset and socket and it was up to the motherboard manufacturers to implement features ESPECIALLY ONES LIKE HOW MANY PCI-e LANES THERE ARE... This was ALWAYS donw in the chipset, not the CPU in the past.


Anyway, my 2nd GPU came in and it's a keeper (had to RMA first one).

Intel can keep their new CPUs and chipsets! HAHA
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If there was more universal use of avx then Haswell would be a good platform upgrade. Sadly software is horribly behind the available technology.

The performance of avx is very good for those programs that do use it.

Being on ivy I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWsEYGA1JbY&t=2m48s
This just in (I certainly didn't know about this and it appears you didn't either).
You actually get 36 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWsEYGA1JbY&t=2m48s
This just in (I certainly didn't know about this and it appears you didn't either).
You actually get 36 PCIe 3.0 lanes.

Thank you for pointing that out, I didn't realize the chipset had 20 PCI-e dedicated lanes. We actually cannot add them together "EQUALLY" because they are not shared. The limit is still 16 PCI-e lanes on the PCI-e slots.

Unfortunately that's an issue for me personally. Here is why.. PCI-e is not just for graphics in my PC..

I have this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118104&cm_re=lsi_9260-8i-_-16-118-104-_-Product which is an PCI-e 2.0 8x card (PCI-e 3.0 4x equivalent).

If I was to buy that motherboard/cpu, my (2) GPUs would be running at PCI-e 3.0 8x and they would use up all 16 PCI-e lanes.

I would be short 4 PCI-e 3.0 lanes for my RAID card.

I don't think I could even add a PCI-e sound card in this config.
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Great post. I still have a 790i lurking in the house and I'm curious if it'll run windows 10. Have you tried yet? If not I may pull it out this weekend and try.
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Thank you
No, havent got that far yet but itching to know also smile.gif
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