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I didn't say it was a regular Xeon... I said "I'm liking this new Xeon architecture a lot."

His response could have been "yes, this new architecture is called the Phi".

It is a Xeon and it is a new architecture?

Whatever.

Phi is not a new architecture. It's their supercomputing platform. This is the successor to Knights Corner.
 
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Yeah I get that but a 4P 16 core Xeon system should theoretically smoke one of these in real world tasks like encoding. Those 8 cores aren't making up for the gigantic difference in IPC.

Right, which is why you use this for FPU calculations, the kinds of calculations you'd use a Tesla or FirePro S for.
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post #53 of 69
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Originally Posted by xenophobe View Post

I didn't say it was a regular Xeon... I said "I'm liking this new Xeon architecture a lot."

His response could have been "yes, this new architecture is called the Phi".

It is a Xeon and it is a new architecture?

Whatever.

I think the mixup was that you said "new Xeon architecture" and he just wanted to make sure it was known that this is not a regular Xeon architecture.
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post #54 of 69
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Originally Posted by xenophobe View Post

I didn't say it was a regular Xeon... I said "I'm liking this new Xeon architecture a lot."

His response could have been "yes, this new architecture is called the Phi".

It is a Xeon and it is a new architecture?

Whatever.
This architecture is not called the Phi.... "Xeon Phi" is a marketing term for Intel's manycore processors line. The Phi line is not new either.

The new architecture is "Knights Landing."

When you say just "Xeon", that generally refers to server chips using Intel's big core architecture.
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If this runs x86 with no client modifications for BOINC CPU based projects ill buy one. 288 threads, even if they are just silvermont cores. Sign me up.

I don't like rack based systems with their loud fans so I might have to look into a new case for that weird mobo though.
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If this runs x86 with no client modifications for BOINC CPU based projects ill buy one. 288 threads, even if they are just silvermont cores. Sign me up.

I don't like rack based systems with their loud fans so I might have to look into a new case for that weird mobo though.

BOINC is already designed around embarrassingly parallel workloads..... The individual components are already mutually exclusive so BOINC is not well suited for this technology.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is it, and why should I care? blushsmiley.gif
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For high end workstations, having this in PCIe would be awesome to dedicate for solvers
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is it, and why should I care? blushsmiley.gif
It's a manycore processor for heavily threaded workloads..... basically a GPU that does not do graphics.

You won't care unless your job is to solve really hard problems.
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For high end workstations, having this in PCIe would be awesome to dedicate for solvers
Xeon Phi's have been available for about 2 years now in PCIe.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is it, and why should I care? blushsmiley.gif
It's a manycore processor for heavily threaded workloads..... basically a GPU that does not do graphics.

You won't care unless your job is to solve really hard problems.
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For high end workstations, having this in PCIe would be awesome to dedicate for solvers
Xeon Phi's have been available for about 2 years now in PCIe.

The problem w/ Xeon Phi is that it requires custom programming for an application to even use it, let alone getting it operational in an OS. Since this is x86 OS native, you might be able to get simple windows resources assigned to it. I have a friend with a small solver farm of 10 tower servers for solving, this could cut that down to 4 boxes and lower power consumption potentially with 6 less idle startup boxes, not to mention reduced software licensing on physical processors
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