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Originally Posted by MadRabbit View Post

AFAIK in the EU as soon as there's a warrant you MUST give out the data. I might be wrong about this but I've heard similar stories.

There's VPNs that argue they are working something like this:

The only machine they have that's logging anything is the one that does the billing. That one will log at what point in time you paid what amount of money. The other machines that you then later actually connect to, those only need to know if a user account connects with the correct encryption keys or not, and the VPN provider tries to promise that there's no logging at all done on those. This means they argue that they have nothing interesting to give out to authorities as they don't know what their customers are doing really.
Edited by deepor - 3/29/15 at 12:25am
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There's VPNs that argue they are working something like this:

The only machine they have that's logging anything is the one that does the billing. That one will log at what point in time you paid what amount of money. The other machines that you then later actually connect to, those only need to know if an user account connects with the correct encryption keys or not, and the VPN provider tries to promise that there's no logging at all done on those. This means they argue that they have nothing interesting to give out to authorities as they don't know what their customers are doing really.

That's more of an grey area but a nifty way to swindle out biggrin.gif Thanks for the clarification thumb.gif
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For 1200 id expect a shell into a physical server and unlimited bandwidth, with maybe CCTV over the dam thing. Thats a whole lot of money for a service you can get for a percent of th cost elsewhere
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"Decent size".... can it defend from a 10 or 100Gbps attack? If not, it would be more like "DDoS Mitigation" rather than "DDoS Protection".

Having no or limited MLATs does not make you safe... State interference for strategic decisions is one thing..... how about state request for data or information which is a separate topic?

 

Our unified network can withstand substantial attacks exceeding 100GB/s in bandwidth. We also do real-time detection, prevention and redirection.

 

If the State requests data, such as payment and operator details, from the subsidiary operating within it's jurisdiction, the only information it will be able to surrender is the information of it's parent company which is not located in the jurisdiction of the State, since the parent company leases all of it's services from the subsidiary and the subsidiary doesn't hold any data concerning who sublets it. 

 

If the State requests technical data, such as a copy of server contents, then the subsidiary will have to provide that data, however that data will be encrypted and the subsidiary won't have the private keys necessary to unlock the primary data. 

 

This would force the State to focus attention onto the parent company which is outside of their jurisdiction. 

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$100/mo? Never.
You do understand all the Russian internet traffic goes trough FSB right?
For $100 a month I could get the same speed to my home already. (Yes, 150 Megabytes).
AFAIK in the EU as soon as there's a warrant you MUST give out the data. I might be wrong about this but I've heard similar stories.

Not to even mention that there are full root servers out there that cost half of that and You can basically do what ever You want with them. Or just take your own to "colo" and pay the same price You are thinking about.

 

The FSB, just like the NSA and all other intelligence-gathering agencies, will and can collect certain types of data from data transmission. The data, however, is more safe during transmission if certain operational security and cryptographic standards are met. However this won't stop them from seeing what you do if you are being targeted and willingly use technology which is known to have backdoors. 

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There's VPNs that argue they are working something like this:

The only machine they have that's logging anything is the one that does the billing. That one will log at what point in time you paid what amount of money. The other machines that you then later actually connect to, those only need to know if a user account connects with the correct encryption keys or not, and the VPN provider tries to promise that there's no logging at all done on those. This means they argue that they have nothing interesting to give out to authorities as they don't know what their customers are doing really.

 

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That's more of an grey area but a nifty way to swindle out biggrin.gif Thanks for the clarification thumb.gif

 

 

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For 1200 id expect a shell into a physical server and unlimited bandwidth, with maybe CCTV over the dam thing. Thats a whole lot of money for a service you can get for a percent of th cost elsewhere

 

We do have CCTV live-fee of our servers, however if we hand them out to customers which cannot follow proper operational security protocols then the data could be used by the State to a fishing expedition warrant for our datacenters and give them the ability to seize the servers seen on CCTV footage if they are able to get that footage. 

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Ok you're killing me. What's the company, I'd like to try it for a few months and see what's what, even at a $100 a month.
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Actually unlike NSA FSB has direct access.

Have a deep read about SORM3 smile.gif

Basically what SORM does is FSB can get to the data before the Central even sends it out to the client and therefor most of your encryption or/and security will be useless anyway.

I'm not saying it can't be bypassed, surely it should be possible somehow but that would raise even more questions at You. Russia isn't the safe heaven it used to be. Even more if You are planning to use their infrastructure to do business outside their borders.
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Ok you're killing me. What's the company, I'd like to try it for a few months and see what's what, even at a $100 a month.

 

I will PM you once the Company has decided what features are going to be implemented in the new packages and get you a discount. 

 

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Originally Posted by MadRabbit View Post

Actually unlike NSA FSB has direct access.

Have a deep read about SORM3 smile.gif

Basically what SORM does is FSB can get to the data before the Central even sends it out to the client and therefor most of your encryption or/and security will be useless anyway.

I'm not saying it can't be bypassed, surely it should be possible somehow but that would raise even more questions at You. Russia isn't the safe heaven it used to be. Even more if You are planning to use their infrastructure to do business outside their borders.

 

I definitely understand that Russia is no safe-haven, however it is safer than operating in the E.U. for Western clientele whose primary adversary is Western intelligence-gathering agencies and law enforcement since the breakdown of US-Russia relations has caused a lack of cooperation between the two nations. I will bring this up with the head of department to discuss any potential circumvention techniques which can be used to protect primary data, since SORM3 is essentially a hardwired deep packet inspection system. However we do also operate in Vaduz, LI just in case Moscow, RU becomes unstable :)


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So it is Russian after all.... How strong is due process and all in regards to data gathering?

In the US, we now know the general capabilities of the US and the process of court-ordered requests. It's not great but at least we know.

What's the process(es) in Russia? Uncertainty is the concern.
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So it is Russian after all.... How strong is due process and all in regards to data gathering?

In the US, we now know the general capabilities of the US and the process of court-ordered requests. It's not great but at least we know.

What's the process(es) in Russia? Uncertainty is the concern.

As much as I've read into SORM if they want your data they'll just take it. They've tapped into every backbone running in RU. (By law all ISP's are required to install deep packet "sensors") which can be accessed by a lot of different agencies starting with FSB, Customs, Kreml itself etc. Don't know if they need any warrants what so ever but knowing Russia that's unlikely.

I might be a bit mistaken but most of it should work like that with the info that's public.

In a nutshell what SORM is capable of:


Collecting information in real time;
■ Hour remote access to the information collected;
■ Long-term storage of information received for the period up to 3 years;
■ Operational updated information in real time;
■ Giving users access to stored information in accordance with their rights, support for hierarchy and authority of the system users, logging user actions;
■ The selection of information to meet certain criteria, visualization and analysis tools to provide selected information.


Translated from Russian so there are some mistakes. And I'm quite sure that's not all of it. For some reason Yandex doesn't even come up with anything about it wether I search in English, Estonian or Russian lol rolleyes.gif
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The legality of the introduction of SORM still raises serious doubts. Especially annoying defenders that for search operations no longer require warrants, that is, the FSB can eavesdrop on anyone at any time without giving a reason, which is a violation of the Constitution. In addition, operating telecommunications companies are required to purchase and install expensive equipment to eavesdrop on their funds.

It is also known that the introduction of SORM started before the system was recognized as legitimate. It is expected that by now almost all Russian Internet providers have already committed to install equipment SORM. As in the case of failure of the provider may simply lose Licence, no one was particularly protesting against the introduction of the system of total listening.

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So it is Russian after all.... How strong is due process and all in regards to data gathering?

In the US, we now know the general capabilities of the US and the process of court-ordered requests. It's not great but at least we know.

What's the process(es) in Russia? Uncertainty is the concern.

You must assume that third and second world countries like Russia don't have any laws which can restrain the government, you must assume the worst. While they do have laws on obtaining certain types of data, you must assume that these laws are only legal fiction and are not actually followed by the State. If you uncertain about operating in Russia, you have to choice to pick other countries such as LI. 

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