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As much as I've read into SORM if they want your data they'll just take it. They've tapped into every backbone running in RU. (By law all ISP's are required to install deep packet "sensors") which can be accessed by a lot of different agencies starting with FSB, Customs, Kreml itself etc. Don't know if they need any warrants what so ever but knowing Russia that's unlikely.

I might be a bit mistaken but most of it should work like that with the info that's public.

In a nutshell what SORM is capable of:


Collecting information in real time;
■ Hour remote access to the information collected;
■ Long-term storage of information received for the period up to 3 years;
■ Operational updated information in real time;
■ Giving users access to stored information in accordance with their rights, support for hierarchy and authority of the system users, logging user actions;
■ The selection of information to meet certain criteria, visualization and analysis tools to provide selected information.


Translated from Russian so there are some mistakes. And I'm quite sure that's not all of it. For some reason Yandex doesn't even come up with anything about it wether I search in English, Estonian or Russian lol rolleyes.gif


It's metadata, or secondary data. This data can be acquired by other parties in the line of transit. The best method of preventing the detection of activities via metadata is adding more hay where there is a needle. 

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It's metadata, or secondary data. This data can be acquired by other parties in the line of transit. The best method of preventing the detection of activities via metadata is adding more hay where there is a needle. 

For now. You never know what they might do next. And that's not even my point, my point was that it's kinda scary they can take what ever they want without asking anyone. Surely You can make it harder for them to actually get it but in the end some smart... will find a way.

Why it's scary for me? NSA, as much info we got, at least has to work for it, Kreml just pushed a law for ISP's to do the same thing easier for them.

Hopefully I won't go missing like our border patrol agent talking about this haha biggrin.gif
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For now. You never know what they might do next. And that's not even my point, my point was that it's kinda scary they can take what ever they want without asking anyone. Surely You can make it harder for them to actually get it but in the end some smart... will find a way.

Why it's scary for me? NSA, as much info we got, at least has to work for it, Kreml just pushed a law for ISP's to do the same thing easier for them.

Hopefully I won't go missing like our border patrol agent talking about this haha biggrin.gif


It is scary. The State can do whatever it wants without having to answer to anyone. They'll steal your data and if they don't like what they see they'll just kidnap you and you'll never be seen again. It's the world we live in. 

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No way would I ever pay that much for a VPN. I pay less than 3 bucks a month @ https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/

+1

For ~$30 I can get a 1Gbps unlimited bandwidth VPS.

As for VPNs that advertise they don't log, personally I never trust them. Secret court orders and all that stuff. Be responsible for your own security, never rely on others.
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We do have CCTV live-fee of our servers, however if we hand them out to customers which cannot follow proper operational security protocols then the data could be used by the State to a fishing expedition warrant for our datacenters and give them the ability to seize the servers seen on CCTV footage if they are able to get that footage. 

If they incorerctly use the VPN then you can end up leaking DNS, or Non IP traffic wink.gif. What VPn technology are you using? IE PPTP, Ipsec, SSLVPN. would you offer a site canary on the contract and website? Ala https://canarywatch.org/ which would have legal nightmares for yourseelves if that canary ever disapeared?
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It is scary. The State can do whatever it wants without having to answer to anyone. They'll steal your data and if they don't like what they see they'll just kidnap you and you'll never be seen again. It's the world we live in. 
Wait... "The State" is Russian government specifically or all governments?

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You must assume that third and second world countries like Russia don't have any laws which can restrain the government, you must assume the worst. While they do have laws on obtaining certain types of data, you must assume that these laws are only legal fiction and are not actually followed by the State. If you uncertain about operating in Russia, you have to choice to pick other countries such as LI. 
Well.... yeah. If one is too assume the worst, then something like Iceland or the US would be safer...

What's the data privacy laws for Liechtenstein and is there guarantee of protection there?
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Its too expensive, the features you are offering isn't different with other third party VPN such as PIA, PureVPN, IPVanish. Almost same features they are offering in less than $50/month so its hard to consider your service. Check out some VPN offers here http://www.bestvpnservice.com/offer and compare your price and features with them.
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My company is thinking about rebranding their VPN line and charging a possible maximum of $100/mo. Would you ever pay that and what features would you expect for that?
There is absolutely nothing you can offer to justify that price.

Also, Russia is in no way safer than EU because the government can raid your server room at any time. The "we do not log anything" policy is no different from what's offered by tens of other providers.
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