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I took the advice to bump down the brightness, I have it at 35% and it seems fine. It was actually the RGB that was affecting the clarity.
I had to change it to 52, 46, 47 to have the right tone at a lower brightness, which wasn't TFT's recommended settings. Thanks for the input.

One more question. This might be a placebo effect or a high refresh honeymoon period.
Does it seem easier to take in the detail of the picture when playing a game?

I feel like I notice the detail better. It could be the better colour range or calibration.
But I played XCOM DSR'd at 4K/100fps and it never ever looked that clear at 4K DSR'd before.
Same for other games. Is it just my imagination? Do people have experience with High Refresh Rate monitors and find the same?

You know that by lowering RGB, the image gets dimmer too?

Had a high Hz monitor before? If not, theres your answer.
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The RGB is higher than the TFT suggestion though.
I haven't had a monitor higher than 60hz before. But I genuinely thought either through less blur or being a better panel that the game clarity was a step up from my previous IPS display.
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The RGB is higher than the TFT suggestion though.
I haven't had a monitor higher than 60hz before. But I genuinely thought either through less blur or being a better panel that the game clarity was a step up from my previous IPS display.

Hm ok, I returned my XB a whiile ago, so didnt remember the values.

Higher Hz and thus Framerate, provide just that, less blur when moving around. Giving a crisper image in motion than a 60hz does.

Which is why your eyes can remain in focus more easily and you can track targets easier, which is why "pros" use them in FPS titles.
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Another issue is if one views these images on an inferior monitor like the PG278, the differences are going to be less noticeable because the color cast and contrast will limit what you see.

Having owned two Swifts and three HU's, calling the Swift a "inferior monitor" is quite the disservice and totally subjective. With the slight bright image improvement the HU has over the Swift, the Swift wrecks the HU in dark images and content. In most dark games the HU isn't even usable with the amount of backlight bleed and IPS glow it has. Without an A-TW polarizer, IPS displays are completely over-rated. There is a reason virtually no TV's are made with IPS.

Another interesting tidbit is that Dell decided to go with the Swift's TN panel for their new 27" gaming monitor over the AUOptronics IPS panel.
Edited by CallsignVega - 10/3/15 at 9:52am
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don't look at your monitor in the dark, problem solved. I really don't even like looking at TN's in a dark room either. I cannot use a computer in a pitch black room, and it's bad for your eyes anyways.

even a distant 10w LED or 60w incandescent gives enough room brightness to drown out any lightness in the blacks, making them look darker. I actually find due to the color temperature, LED monitors appear better under incandescent lighting, and CCFL monitors appear better under LED lighting. so the nature of how your room is lit actually matters greatly.

the whole point of contrast is that the colors on the screen are soo bright, the black areas look black in comparison. especially in daylight, the blacks are black as can be.

I don't buy IPS monitors to be viewed from the side, I buy them to be viewed from the front without any color/contrast shifts.

dark games are playable, but primarily you need at least a minimally lit room. still though, the ability to display subtle dark colors and do it without banding, is not to be understated. it breaks immersion to be playing a dark game and you're creeping down a dark hallway to a lit room and there's a 5 band gradient of not-gradually lighter grays with hard breaks. makes dark games look more like a mosaic.
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Having owned two Swifts and three HU's, calling the Swift a "inferior monitor" is quite the disservice and totally subjective. With the slight bright image improvement the HU has over the Swift, the Swift wrecks the HU in dark images and content. In most dark games the HU isn't even usable with the amount of backlight bleed and IPS glow it has. Without an A-TW polarizer, IPS displays are completely over-rated. There is a reason virtually no TV's are made with IPS.

Another interesting tidbit is that Dell decided to go with the Swift's TN panel for their new 27" gaming monitor over the AUOptronics IPS panel.

Since You had them all smile.gif May I ask which one would You prefer to use for horizontal usage of single monitor purely for gaming/web browsing (with movies going to separate *VA display/TV)
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don't look at your monitor in the dark, problem solved. I really don't even like looking at TN's in a dark room either. I cannot use a computer in a pitch black room, and it's bad for your eyes anyways.

even a distant 10w LED or 60w incandescent gives enough room brightness to drown out any lightness in the blacks, making them look darker. I actually find due to the color temperature, LED monitors appear better under incandescent lighting, and CCFL monitors appear better under LED lighting. so the nature of how your room is lit actually matters greatly.

the whole point of contrast is that the colors on the screen are soo bright, the black areas look black in comparison. especially in daylight, the blacks are black as can be.

I don't buy IPS monitors to be viewed from the side, I buy them to be viewed from the front without any color/contrast shifts.

dark games are playable, but primarily you need at least a minimally lit room. still though, the ability to display subtle dark colors and do it without banding, is not to be understated. it breaks immersion to be playing a dark game and you're creeping down a dark hallway to a lit room and there's a 5 band gradient of not-gradually lighter grays with hard breaks. makes dark games look more like a mosaic.

You don't need to be in a pitch black room to notice IPS huge backlight bleed and IPS glow issues. I've posted many pictures to that affect. I use variable intensity bias lighting, the only proper way to do it.

Also "don't look at your monitor in the dark, problem solved." is a pretty silly comment. There are many benefits to watching images in the dark. It's why theaters and good home theaters do it. Those benefits are widely published so I won't regurgitate them here.

Not to mention the Swift is an 8-bit panel and it doesn't have any more banding issues than these IPS monitors. You must be referring to older/cheaper TN panels which is a common theme when comparing TN vs IPS. One thing I do have is the ability to purchase and use many different display types and models to directly compare them and remain objective. A lot of people fall into the "I have X item so X is automatically better" syndrome that is seen quite often.
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Since You had them all smile.gif May I ask which one would You prefer to use for horizontal usage of single monitor purely for gaming/web browsing (with movies going to separate *VA display/TV)

For very bright/colorful games especially in a well lit room, I prefer the IPS HU. For a more rounded experience that includes dark games in a dark or dim room, the TN Swift.

I prefer both in G-Sync mode over ULMB mode. While I do love strobing backlights, their current implementation benefits do not over-ride the benefits of G-Sync as a whole.
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I wouldnt want to get a TN panel for >700... you cant really lean back in your chair and watch a movie or TV show or play a casual game (non-fps) without upper half being muuch darker.

But even sitting head-on with eyes at center, top is darker and bottom usually washed out.

Anyway the XB I had, didnt have any bothersome glow, even during dark games (Insurgency Night maps) except fro the bottom right where the powerled is. It wasnt annoying, but noticable if looking at the ammo. And I have basicly just one light in my room and its very dim.
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I wouldnt want to get a TN panel for >700... you cant really lean back in your chair and watch a movie or TV show or play a casual game (non-fps) without upper half being muuch darker.

But even sitting head-on with eyes at center, top is darker and bottom usually washed out.

Anyway the XB I had, didnt have any bothersome glow, even during dark games (Insurgency Night maps) except fro the bottom right where the powerled is. It wasnt annoying, but noticable if looking at the ammo. And I have basicly just one light in my room and its very dim.

I am not in this thread to say "hey the TN Swift is better", just to list the pro's and con's of each and my personal preference.

The Swift uses a high quality 8-bit TN panel, so I'm not sure why >$700 would be a concern with a TN panel versus IPS as if the IPS were automatically more expensive to produce misnomer.

As for the comment "But even sitting head-on with eyes at center, top is darker and bottom usually washed out." I would wager that you have not used the Swift. Although I could be wrong. Sitting with the TN Swift at a proper ergonomic vertical eye height at the top bezel with a slight downward gaze the issue is minimal. I've noticed a lot of people don't sit/view monitors properly.

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Now of course leaning far back in a chair or lying on the couch or something TN will have huge issues with. Anyone who would want to do that is much more suited to an IPS panel.

As for what constitutes "bothersome" and "any" is completely subjective.
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Just picked one up from microcenter. Bleed in all 4 corners and 1 dead pix. I have another coming from amazon tomorrow. Let the lottery games begin.
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