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Philips BDM4065UCyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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I'm not sure there is any agreed on difference between semi-glossy and semi-matte... but both are definitely not equivalent to glossy, since it is a kind of light anti-glare coating, wheras full glossy means no anti glare. Still I'm not sure you can chalk up all the color freckling wierdness to that over the cheap VA panel. All of the 40' monitors are using this panel regardless so the only other option is the IPS monitors (42/49), which are all still semi-glossy.

Outside of that there are 4k TVs which are almost always semi glossy so.... good luck finding a glossy panel at that size.

Well from what I have read people are saying that the philips has a glossy finish to the screen. Reason I went with the 404k was no PWM but I might of swung it with the philips had I known there was a difference with the screens. Wonder if anyone here has compared the 2 screens
    
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TFTcentral calls the phillips a "glossy anti-glare coating" which is even more confusing.... the bottom line is that it does have an anti-glare treatment, which always adds at least a little haze/bluriness to disperse outside light, and this is the case for all the 40+ monitors (including phillips) and most flat TVs. Something like the apple thunderbolt display has no anti-glare, even with the glass cover removed its far more reflective than the 404k. Its just a rare thing for monitors and there aren't enough large panel choices right now for it to be represented.
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0% Haze - Glossy (S2415H)


3-4% Haze - Semi-Glossy (BDM4065)


source: pcmonitors.info
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TFT central says this:
Size 39.56"WS (100.5 cm) Panel Coating Glossy coating
Screen Coating: The screen coating on BDM4065UC is a glossy solution. It has moderate levels of reflection very similar to a lot of modern LCD TV's really. It's not overly reflective like some glass fronted desktop displays we've seen in the past (Dell S2440L / S2740L for instance) so it's pretty easy to work with. Being glossy it does provide a nice clear and crisp image and it helps make colours and blacks pop somewhat.
The glossy AG coating of the panel provides clear and crisp images. It is not overly reflective like some glass-fronted screens for instance, but there's no graininess of any kind from an AG coating here.

PC Monitors:
It is dominated by a very large glossy screen, which has an extremely mild (3-4% haze value) anti-glare treatment. These bright elements were also very smooth and ‘pure’ thanks to the glossy screen surface. Car lights and other bright elements shone through the darkness with a true brilliance and purity that only a glossy monitor with this sort of panel could deliver in LCD form. The image was also quite ‘loud’. The glossy VA panel delivered a very nice ‘clean’ (non-grainy) image with excellent vibrant ‘pop’ in places and good inky-looking dark colours.
The glossy VA panel delivered some stunningly vivid colours with rich and accurate representation on the whole – with comprehensive sRGB coverage but no support for extended colour spaces.

My 404k ebay listing says this: Anti-Glare Coating (Haze 1%) Screen size: 40type, 40-inch 16:9 wide (100.5cm). As I look at the tftcentral website and the ebay website I clearly see a slight grain effect to the screen; not a glossy screen where the color looks 'pure' like my catleap.

And from my reading of this thread there have been a few other users whom have commented on the same grainy aspect of the screen (so I do not think its a 1 off from my screen).
This leads me to believe they used different coatings from the philips to the 404k.
I would not describe my 404k to have a similar level of glossyness like a tv. More like a monitor with a slight matte coating.

I'd like to be wrong about this screen being different then the philips because I really dont want the hassle of trying to sell it and getting the phiips but would do that if the philips does have a different coating then this guy.
    
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Just got done playing black ops 2 zombies for a bit at 1440p with my catleap sitting beside me acting as a clone of my 404k - definitely noticed a difference when observing it on my catleap as compared to the 404k - the catleap somehow seemed 'smoother' - less screen tearing? and just smoother. 1440p 90fps. Id say it was playable on my catleap and not really on the 404k. Can understand why some of these other guys didnt like play fps on the 404k.

Not to be all negative but I did boot up rebel galaxy and seeing it on the 404k is Wow! - big difference in immersion.
    
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Just got done playing black ops 2 zombies for a bit at 1440p with my catleap sitting beside me acting as a clone of my 404k - definitely noticed a difference when observing it on my catleap as compared to the 404k - the catleap somehow seemed 'smoother' - less screen tearing? and just smoother. 1440p 90fps. Id say it was playable on my catleap and not really on the 404k. Can understand why some of these other guys didnt like play fps on the 404k.

V-Sync generally only works with one display at a time, so yes, the other display will tear even in clone mode. If your catleap is overclocked to 90 hz then yes, that will always be smoother than 60 hz, and tearing will be less noticable at that speed when v-sync is off on both.

I don't really recommend 4K for FPS due to them all being limited at 60 hz and no great response times, even on the TN panels. It does do some nice things for games with less sudden movement, like sims, 3rd-person RPGs, etc.
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I would not describe my 404k to have a similar level of glossyness like a tv. More like a monitor with a slight matte coating.

The Seiki se39uy04 4k TV has the exact same amount of anti-glare. Granted that's not necessarily a "normal" TV. Both of them have far more reflections than say the Samsuing U28E590D, which is often called a "light matte" coating, though granted the terminology is not well standardized.

I would consider TFT/PCMonitors' description of the screen relative to the monitor standard, which is overwhelmingly full matte and not pure glossy. The colors and clarity are certainly far better on the panel in the 404k/Phillips than your average matte monitor, as long as you can deal with the lighting and reflections. I would bet its' the handful of people here coming from true glossy (no AG) monitors that are noticing the hazing: for instance, apple cinema 27" was my previous monitor.
Edited by Rahkeesh - 10/26/15 at 10:02am
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djxput, I had returned my 404k as well more than a month ago now for the exact same reason you listed. The antiglare just killed the image quality for me made every thin look grainy. My ips Yamakasi monitor just has a much cleaner looking image since it has no antiglare on it. And on top of that I had vertical banding lines on the images.
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V-Sync generally only works with one display at a time, so yes, the other display will tear even in clone mode. If your catleap is overclocked to 90 hz then yes, that will always be smoother than 60 hz, and tearing will be less noticable at that speed when v-sync is off on both.

I don't really recommend 4K for FPS due to them all being limited at 60 hz and no great response times, even on the TN panels. It does do some nice things for games with less sudden movement, like sims, 3rd-person RPGs, etc.
The Seiki se39uy04 4k TV has the exact same amount of anti-glare. Granted that's not necessarily a "normal" TV. Both of them have far more reflections than say the Samsuing U28E590D, which is often called a "light matte" coating, though granted the terminology is not well standardized.

I would consider TFT/PCMonitors' description of the screen relative to the monitor standard, which is overwhelmingly full matte and not pure glossy. The colors and clarity are certainly far better on the panel in the 404k/Phillips than your average matte monitor, as long as you can deal with the lighting and reflections. I would bet its' the handful of people here coming from true glossy (no AG) monitors that are noticing the hazing: for instance, apple cinema 27" was my previous monitor.

the catleap uses the same screen as the apple as far as I know - glossy but does not have the glass front. It isnt OCed just 60hz also (didnt get lucky (was a early adopter and had to have the luck of the draw to get a 2b version).

But ya got to love the glossy screen of my catleap and then going to this is like the next poster talked about - always looking at a screen with a haze over it (IMO does not improve image - but makes it worse). Like dirty glasses smile.gif
    
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djxput, I had returned my 404k as well more than a month ago now for the exact same reason you listed. The antiglare just killed the image quality for me made every thin look grainy. My ips Yamakasi monitor just has a much cleaner looking image since it has no antiglare on it. And on top of that I had vertical banding lines on the images.

Regretfully Ive bought my monitor from south korea and shipping back looks like it will be a ton at least 120pounds and Ive seen a quote of 180 and I potentially could get hit with having to pay shipping to me since my unit isnt technically defective. And I already had to pay customs. If this sucker was glossy like my catleap Id absolutely Love it! Well besides it being a bit slow in the input lag.

But its not ...
    
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Hello Grizzlyman,

I am using a Crossover 404k Final, and i tried your OSD calibration and ICM profile on my crossover 404k Final, and it looked absolutely horrible.


Can you confirm this calibration is for the crossover 404k?



If you can be so kind to provide a calibration for the Crossover 404k Final and please post OSD settings and an ICC profile for this it would be great


Thank you smile.gif
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