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I have Roccat Kone Pure Military now and I am thinking of sending it back and purchasing Zowie ZA13. Why? I have small hands and shape of Roccat's right side isn't comfortable for little finger which contacts only in one spot and the rest of the finger is in the air. I can't palm it because there is an edge.

The KPM is designed for a Medium-Sized Right Hand. YES the ZA13 might be your savior here due to it being a little bit smaller.
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Agreed, ZA13 would be very nice for a 16.5cm length hand, 7.5cm width palm.
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Agreed, ZA13 would be very nice for a 16.5cm length hand, 7.5cm width palm.

That's me biggrin.gif And it is good.
post #1344 of 1872
Thanks for all replies!

And what about that butt? Was it weird and hard to get used to it? I read that because of that butt there is strange weight balance.
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Thanks for all replies!

And what about that butt? Was it weird and hard to get used to it? I read that because of that butt there is strange weight balance.

I came from very low butt mices (Naos/Avior 7000, FK2, Razer DA 1.8), so the butt did felt a little bit awkward at first but I actually like it after about 2 weeks of usage.
Going back to the Naos/Avior now, I'd feel a hollow void in my palm. tongue.gif
post #1346 of 1872
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Thanks for all replies!

And what about that butt? Was it weird and hard to get used to it? I read that because of that butt there is strange weight balance.

Yes the butt would have been ok for me (ZA-11) had the mouse been large enough for a true palm grip. I'm now using the ZA-11 with a semi-figertip (relaxed claw) and I have gotten used to it. I like to rest my hand on the butt when I'm not in the heat of battle, say if I'm just moving to a location (FPS) and it's kinda nice. I will say that now that I'm used to it I have less pinky fatigue (old football injury) than I did with my g9x.
     
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Thanks for all replies!

And what about that butt? Was it weird and hard to get used to it? I read that because of that butt there is strange weight balance.

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I came from very low butt mices (Naos/Avior 7000, FK2, Razer DA 1.8), so the butt did felt a little bit awkward at first but I actually like it after about 2 weeks of usage.
Going back to the Naos/Avior now, I'd feel a hollow void in my palm. tongue.gif

When I had the ZA13 my hand would start to cramp after a few hours of gaming. It was just a tad too small being thinner in the center and lower in the rear.

Some might complain but the elevated rear fills my palm and fingers rest comfortably right on the tips of buttons 1&2. I used to be primarily a hybrid claw palm grip, when I got the ZA12 it felt more natural to palm the mouse based on my 18 cm size hand. I can still use hybrid claw palm grip during intense gaming. It's very comfortable now to me and I can game all day without any issues. I'm enjoying the control I have regardless of movements and I haven't been this happy with a mouse since savu.

The great thing about this series is depending on your hand size you can find the size that fits you. For those who like lower mice this is a deal-breaker but for others it's a deal-maker.

The only caveat is the scroll wheel not having the kind of quality like the my KPO. In CSGO if you bind jump to the scroll wheel it may have issues. Pressing down on the scroll wheel though feels good and solid, so not sure why this happens. Scroll wheel does not rattle back-and-forth when shaken.

When lifting the mouse I do not have any weight issues or feel any weight issues when picking it up to swipe fast. It's my first zowie mouse and I have no complaints. It's nice not having to install drivers or intrusive software. I even have a second ZA12 at the office. biggrin.gif
     
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post #1348 of 1872
I am now a proud owner of the ZA11. I love that it doesn't detect lift off. Plug n play is what I did. Smooth action in games. Love it.

Edit:
If you like to control the buttons of the zowie I came across this app. Works out, it disabled my back forward for browser action of button 4 and 5.
http://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMouseButtonControl.htm
Edited by HITTI - 9/19/15 at 9:55am
post #1349 of 1872
Hi everyone!
After 2 days of use of my Zowie ZA11, I'm realy happy that i choose this mice. I'm left handed soo there i nnot a lot of good mice for me.
First,I love the simplicity of the design, black with the logo in white, just perfect.
The surface is realy nice under the hand compared to the Steelseries Sensei (my old mice).
The mice is good under the hand for a "Claw grip" user.
To resume, this mice is realy good for left handed like me but the only thing is the price. But when you seethe quality of the mice you can understand it.
post #1350 of 1872
After 2 days of using ZA13 after Roccat Kone Pure Military I can tell:
Zowie:
+ rounded shape is better than edgy Roccat (right side of it)
+ it's symmetrical, better for fast movements at low sensitivity and for lifting the mouse
+ coating is better
+ simple design
+ nice smell of fresh biggrin.gif
+/- skates are thin, slower - better in drag (flick) shots, fast movements, worse in slow movements
+/- no software, I can plug it and play, fine on LANs, etc. but I liked configurable buttons and awesome Roccat software
+/- scroll isn't as sharp as Roccat, has 1-2mm space between scrolling, but I have better feeling with it
+/- butt is less comfortable than Roccat's, little cramp while intensive playing, I really have hope that I will get used to it after 2 weeks (as someone said above)
+/- main buttons are very hard (not sure if I translated it correctly), I need more power to push them.
+/- rubbed soft cable - better in fast movements, but when on pad can slightly lower speed.
- side buttons are too soft, I'm afraid that they will break like in Deathadder

Roccat:
+ butt is I think slightly more comfortable than Zowie's or it's a matter of get used to that second
+ better buttons for spamming f.e. TEC9, better side buttons
+ better side buttons
+ better, faster and thicker skates
+ sharp scrolling
+ awesome software with easy shift configurable buttons
- edged right side of the mouse causing me pain in little finger and bad feel of palming the mouse.
- no symmetrical

And I'm wondering what should I do now. Tomorrow is the last day I can return Roccat. I'd like to keep them both, but prices are so high here in Poland that I think I can't do that. 250PLN ($66,3) for Zowie ZA13. $341 theoretical min. monthly salary here. In reality ~$245-$310.

Why am I writing this? Because I have to make a decision what mouse to keep until tomorrow. Of course I can return Roccat and I still have 12 days to return Zowie if I don't get used to it. But come on, there is no more good small mice, I think, with butt which is more in the back and not in the front/center. I didn't play with more flat mice like fk2, maybe this is solution, I don't know, I like when my palm contacts the mouse as much as possible. Probably if Roccat had more rounded sides it would be perfect mouse for me.
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