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post #1361 of 1874
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

I don't think the Avior 7000 has better buttons than the FK mice. They have lighter switches, but the overall performance isn't better.

That's entirely subjective. It's like saying cherry blue > cherry brown or vice versa.

I love the huanos in the ZA12 and I do prefer them to omrons of any kind, but they are only better only if I like them more.
post #1362 of 1874
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

I don't think the Avior 7000 has better buttons than the FK mice. They have lighter switches, but the overall performance isn't better.
Is it your personal opinion or you based on some reviews? smile.gif There is a polish site, where they test components, especially mice and in Avior's test they wrote:
  • Overall click rating: 4.5/5 (5 is the best)
  • Click softness: 3/5 (5 is the hardest)
  • Click loudness: 2/3 (3 is the loudest)

Also they wrote that, although the buttons aren't the softest ones, they return back very fast, so they can be clicked very fast.

While the ZA:
  • Overall click rating: 4/5 (5 is the best)
  • Click softness: 4/5 (5 is the hardest)
  • Click loudness: 3/3 (3 is the loudest)

And here they wrote that the ZA buttons are fast and sharp compared to the FK buttons.

As to me, I can't compare Avior to ZA and rating above isn't mine opinion but professional testers'. I'd like to have it and compare them by myself, but Avior is hard to buy here in Poland, only one shop is selling them, but the price is a killer - 280PLN (about $74), while expensive ZA - 249PLN ($66). Maybe I'll buy it for $40 at the massdrop.

But it would be nice if someone who has ZA and Avior would write a comparison about shape, feeling and buttons.

And for the end sorry for my english, I'm not sure if everything is translated correctly (f.e. buttons rating and description - I read these mice tests in polish language)
post #1363 of 1874
I am going to dremel out the inside back of my ZA13, or buy a ZA12 and do it. Something is wrong when this mouse feels way heavier than a wmo, but it's identical in weight. I'm hoping I can balance out the weight so the mouse feels even, and maybe shave 3-5g off (to bring a ZA12 to 80g). I'll post back if it works well and what I dremeled
post #1364 of 1874
The ZA13 probably seems heavier than the WMO because it's a shorter and thinner mouse so that weight is more concentrated (like how the Kone Pure Military feels heavier than the 90-whatever grams it weighs). And there's also the ZA being more back heavy due to the hump placement.
post #1365 of 1874
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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

The ZA13 probably seems heavier than the WMO because it's a shorter and thinner mouse so that weight is more concentrated (like how the Kone Pure Military feels heavier than the 90-whatever grams it weighs). And there's also the ZA being more back heavy due to the hump placement.

thicker cable on the wmo leads people to think the mouse is heavier than it is as well. I always just assumed they used more dense plastic compared to the wmo, hence the heavier feel. The hump thing is an issue though, other mice have similar humps but the mouse still feels balanced.
post #1366 of 1874
What are you talking about? Hold ZA with 2 fingers at the center and lift it - it's still horizontal in the air, so I think it's balanced tongue.gif
post #1367 of 1874
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Originally Posted by Zares View Post

What are you talking about? Hold ZA with 2 fingers at the center and lift it - it's still horizontal in the air, so I think it's balanced tongue.gif

this mouse is as balanced as a fat kid on a seesaw. there is a lot more weight in the back compared to the front, and the hump isn't the reason, it's the density of the plastic and the design. this mouse isn't balanced at all.
post #1368 of 1874
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Originally Posted by spessu View Post

EDIT: EDIT: I'm so shamed to admit I made a stupid mistake trying to get the AM shell get over/on the ZA12 base. Didn't realize you actually had to take the circuit board off and install it on the base of the AM. Now I've done this mod and it works.

By the way, the buttons after this mod are much easier to press on my AM and actually they feel lighter than on Zowie ZA12. This is probably either because of the used (over 3 years) Zowie AM shell or because of my hybrid grip on Zowie ZA12 (back of my hand rested on the mousepad, not on the mouse)... and it seems the Huano blue are indeed lighter to click.
post #1369 of 1874
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post

That's entirely subjective. It's like saying cherry blue > cherry brown or vice versa.

I love the huanos in the ZA12 and I do prefer them to omrons of any kind, but they are only better only if I like them more.
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Originally Posted by Zares View Post

Is it your personal opinion or you based on some reviews? smile.gif There is a polish site, where they test components, especially mice and in Avior's test they wrote:
  • Overall click rating: 4.5/5 (5 is the best)
  • Click softness: 3/5 (5 is the hardest)
  • Click loudness: 2/3 (3 is the loudest)

Also they wrote that, although the buttons aren't the softest ones, they return back very fast, so they can be clicked very fast.

While the ZA:
  • Overall click rating: 4/5 (5 is the best)
  • Click softness: 4/5 (5 is the hardest)
  • Click loudness: 3/3 (3 is the loudest)

And here they wrote that the ZA buttons are fast and sharp compared to the FK buttons.

As to me, I can't compare Avior to ZA and rating above isn't mine opinion but professional testers'. I'd like to have it and compare them by myself, but Avior is hard to buy here in Poland, only one shop is selling them, but the price is a killer - 280PLN (about $74), while expensive ZA - 249PLN ($66). Maybe I'll buy it for $40 at the massdrop.

But it would be nice if someone who has ZA and Avior would write a comparison about shape, feeling and buttons.

And for the end sorry for my english, I'm not sure if everything is translated correctly (f.e. buttons rating and description - I read these mice tests in polish language)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1469836/mionix-avior-7000-first-impressions-review/1790#post_23838154
post #1370 of 1874
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Originally Posted by wmoftw View Post

thicker cable on the wmo leads people to think the mouse is heavier than it is as well. I always just assumed they used more dense plastic compared to the wmo, hence the heavier feel. The hump thing is an issue though, other mice have similar humps but the mouse still feels balanced.

If you really want a very light WMO need to replace the mouse cable STAT.

I replaced mine with a new Deathadder cable bought off Ebay and it's amazing how this mouse now feels, quite manoeuvrable.
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