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post #1511 of 1815
I read Zowie recalling their new mouses with the new omron switch
http://zowie.benq.com/news/8/zowie-mice-recall-announcement
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The FK is more like the WMO than the IMO.
Right, but the ZA is further away from an IMO than the FK. I had the FK1 for one year now (soldered to D2F-01F) except the slight over-length I was quite satisfied with it, so a FK2 should fit my needs I think, except the stiff huanos, which I don't like.
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post #1513 of 1815
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I read Zowie recalling their new mouses with the new omron switch
http://zowie.benq.com/news/8/zowie-mice-recall-announcement
Too bad ... I might grab a current FK2 and put some Omrons in by myself then.
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So after a long time of not buying a mouse, I decided to pull the trigger on a ZA11 (white logo with huanos). Most recently I bought the EC1-A when they launched, but went back to my trusty old yellow FK1 with the fabled unusable-click-latency-of-doom.

This is probably late to the party, and most people who would buy this mouse might have already.

Here's my thoughts as a palm player, with slightly bent index and middle fingers, after a couple weeks with the ZA11.

Feel: The reason I switched back from my EC1-A to the FK1 was partly the shape and partly the coating. The ZA11 is different than both.

EC-A: Feels slippery when cold, or with dry hands. When you warm up and sweat, it feels close to the grip you get with dry hands on a glossy painted mouse.

FK1: has a more textured coating that doesn't feel so slippery when cold. At first when your hands warm up, it's got amazing grip, but loses some tackiness when your hands are sweating. In long sessions I find myself having to regularly take my hand off my mouse and blow on it and my hands to get rid of moisture as my fingers will slip around on the mouse.

ZA11: The coating on this mouse is more textured than my FK1. (I'm not sure if thats because my FK1 is old and worn down) But the feeling is also different. It feels like the top shell of the DA Chroma. It's perfectly fine to use cold, and when you warm up, it's a perfect feeling of grip, without being tacky or sticky. When my hand was sweaty after a long time of playing, I didn't need to constantly blow on my hand or rub it on my clothes to dry it off. The grip just stayed. This one has the best coating of the mice that I've tried.

Shape: I loved the FK1 because of the front half of the mouse. I don't know what it was about it, but the tips of my fingers always just felt like they were in control when I was using it; this mobility was great for my rifling accuracy. My issue with the FK1 was that there wasn't support for my palm for that extra feeling of stability that I needed while awping; I'd never pick up or use an awp when I had a choice. While using the EC1-A, I had the stability in my palm and it helped me be confident in my awp again, but I didn't have the mobility do be able to rifle worth a damn.

Then came the ZA11. It's got the front of the FK1, which I love. And it's got the hump in the back for palm support, which I love. Right away when I hooked it up, before even playing CS I could tell I was going to like it. It just fit so well with my hand. I've been happy with the shape, and I feel that I'm putting the cross-hair where I want it.


Sensor: I mean, look at my past mice. Other than the Rival and DA Chroma, they've all been the same 3310 in a Zowie. I play with 1.1 @ 800 dpi with m_rawinput 0 and all the accel commads at 0 as well. I use the Mark C mouse fix for Win 10. I've done test after test with rawinput 0/1 to see if there's any acceleration anywhere and the cross hair always returns back to where it started. Sensor is great for me, I don't feel any smoothing that people talk about, but I've also not used a 3366 mouse to have anything to compare it to.
post #1515 of 1815
I've been thinking of giving Zowie ZA another try. I'm just wondering if ZA11 would be too big for me? I had ZA12 and ZA13 . ZA 13 would cramp my hand after 10 minutes of usage. And I can't remember why I sent back my ZA12.

My hand measurements would be 17,5cm length and 7,8cm width (9cm width if my thumb is included)

Here's couple pictures of how I hold a mouse http://imgur.com/a/kQ7uk (in the pictures holding my zowie FK2) I hold all mice regardless of their shape the same way.
post #1516 of 1815
My hand is 18.5 cm in length the ZA12 I have fits good. My mouse grip is very similar to yours.
post #1517 of 1815
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twiffle View Post

I've been thinking of giving Zowie ZA another try. I'm just wondering if ZA11 would be too big for me? I had ZA12 and ZA13 . ZA 13 would cramp my hand after 10 minutes of usage. And I can't remember why I sent back my ZA12.

My hand measurements would be 17,5cm length and 7,8cm width (9cm width if my thumb is included)

Here's couple pictures of how I hold a mouse http://imgur.com/a/kQ7uk (in the pictures holding my zowie FK2) I hold all mice regardless of their shape the same way.
i almost have same hand size like you by looking at the pictureswe have also have the same grip and i want to buy fk2 can you tell me why do you want to switch to za 12 or za 11 over fk2?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzy1925 View Post

i almost have same hand size like you by looking at the pictureswe have also have the same grip and i want to buy fk2 can you tell me why do you want to switch to za 12 or za 11 over fk2?
I suppose I just like trying different mice. Nothing wrong with this white/black version of FK2 though. It works really well and don't get any cramps. I just think if I went for ZA11 if it isn't too big, that it'd make me switch to palm grip. The grip I have in the pictures and which I have used on all mice I've previously owned is probably somewhere between claw/finger grip.

Basically just want to see if there's some better choices for myself. I know I mentioned 2 reasons there, but to be totally honest.. I'm not even sure myself why . If that makes any sense.


EDIT: Also my hand kind feels stiff if that's the right word to use... after 2-3 hours of usage. I have a stress ball that kinda relieves my hand stiffness/tension tongue.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajun808 View Post

My hand is 18.5 cm in length the ZA12 I have fits good. My mouse grip is very similar to yours.
Oh. Does the hump touch your palm at all or support it? I even went through some youtube vids to see if there's anyone with similar sized hands using same sort of grip with ZA12 or 11, but couldn't find any.
Edited by Twiffle - 1/21/16 at 1:04pm
post #1519 of 1815
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twiffle View Post

I suppose I just like trying different mice. Nothing wrong with this white/black version of FK2 though. It works really well and don't get any cramps. I just think if I went for ZA11 if it isn't too big, that it'd make me switch to palm grip. The grip I have in the pictures and which I have used on all mice I've previously owned is probably somewhere between claw/finger grip.

Basically just want to see if there's some better choices for myself. I know I mentioned 2 reasons there, but to be totally honest.. I'm not even sure myself why . If that makes any sense.


EDIT: Also my hand kind feels stiff if that's the right word to use... after 2-3 hours of usage. I have a stress ball that kinda relieves my hand stiffness/tension tongue.gif
Oh. Does the hump touch your palm at all or support it? I even went through some youtube vids to see if there's anyone with similar sized hands using same sort of grip with ZA12 or 11, but couldn't find any.

thanks i want to order fk2 but cant decide if i wait for the new omron ones or stick with white ones
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twiffle View Post

I suppose I just like trying different mice. Nothing wrong with this white/black version of FK2 though. It works really well and don't get any cramps. I just think if I went for ZA11 if it isn't too big, that it'd make me switch to palm grip. The grip I have in the pictures and which I have used on all mice I've previously owned is probably somewhere between claw/finger grip.

Basically just want to see if there's some better choices for myself. I know I mentioned 2 reasons there, but to be totally honest.. I'm not even sure myself why . If that makes any sense.


EDIT: Also my hand kind feels stiff if that's the right word to use... after 2-3 hours of usage. I have a stress ball that kinda relieves my hand stiffness/tension tongue.gif
Oh. Does the hump touch your palm at all or support it? I even went through some youtube vids to see if there's anyone with similar sized hands using same sort of grip with ZA12 or 11, but couldn't find any.

I'll take a couple pics of my hands on the za11. For reference, 20cm. If you have a way to try out both the 11 and 12 and send back the one you don't like, I would do that. But with your hands being smaller the za12 might be better fit. Especially if you claw/fingertip.
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