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You're telling me lol. Looks like MMM is doing okay without EK support though drum.gif
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I dont think its just about them carrying Barrow stuff. If EK let everyone sell their products there wouldn't be any loyalty from any sellers. By keeping thier sellers a close knit family they maintain price control, good inventory, and good relationships. All of that makes it beneficial to us the end user/buyer.
Edited by Radnad - 8/19/16 at 9:29am
 
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From what I recall, Friga owed them $10k or thereabouts. MMM was at one point related to Frozen. I don't doubt the Barrows aspect, but that was not because they undercut the market. It's due to Barrows selling copied product as their own intellectual property. That is the reason EK and Monsoon(courtesy of Boxgods, owner and proprieter of Monsoon) will not do business with Barrows vendors.

It hurts them, but it would hurt more to sell to a vendor who lists their goods next to products that look similar for 3/4 or lower of what their product sells for.

If you've ever worked sales there is nothing worse than boxes sitting on shelves collecting dust. Means for whatever reason, those products aren't selling and people shy away from products that don't sell. Not too big a deal when you're a big manufacturer. It can ruin small manufacturers like EK and Monsoon. All because of one knockoff artist's flagrant disregard for fair play and reasonable costs associated with manufacturing. This is the cost of doing business with a certain country that shall remain nameless. But we know which I refer to.

mellowsmiley.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
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Originally Posted by Radnad View Post

I dont think its just about them carrying Barrow stuff. If EK let everyone sell their products there wouldn't be any loyalty from any sellers. By keeping thier sellers a close knit family they maintain price control, good inventory, and good relationships. All of that makes it beneficial to us the end user/buyer.

By maintaining price control, you mean keeping prices higher, right? (end sarcasm)
     
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From what I recall, Friga owed them $10k or thereabouts. MMM was at one point related to Frozen. I don't doubt the Barrows aspect, but that was not because they undercut the market. It's due to Barrows selling copied product as their own intellectual property. That is the reason EK and Monsoon(courtesy of Boxgods, owner and proprieter of Monsoon) will not do business with Barrows vendors.

It hurts them, but it would hurt more to sell to a vendor who lists their goods next to products that look similar for 3/4 or lower of what their product sells for.

If you've ever worked sales there is nothing worse than boxes sitting on shelves collecting dust. Means for whatever reason, those products aren't selling and people shy away from products that don't sell. Not too big a deal when you're a big manufacturer. It can ruin small manufacturers like EK and Monsoon. All because of one knockoff artist's flagrant disregard for fair play and reasonable costs associated with manufacturing. This is the cost of doing business with a certain country that shall remain nameless. But we know which I refer to.

mellowsmiley.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

The only "knock-off" stuff I see from barrow on MMM is the bitspower fittings, but I'm pretty sure they ARE bitspower, just under a different name. Do they sell EK/Monsoon knockoffs somewhere else? Either way, EK would lose nothing by selling their blocks and radiators on MMM, because Barrow isn't selling anything but fittings and a few reservoirs on MMM.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

From what I recall, Friga owed them $10k or thereabouts. MMM was at one point related to Frozen. I don't doubt the Barrows aspect, but that was not because they undercut the market. It's due to Barrows selling copied product as their own intellectual property. That is the reason EK and Monsoon(courtesy of Boxgods, owner and proprieter of Monsoon) will not do business with Barrows vendors.

It hurts them, but it would hurt more to sell to a vendor who lists their goods next to products that look similar for 3/4 or lower of what their product sells for.

If you've ever worked sales there is nothing worse than boxes sitting on shelves collecting dust. Means for whatever reason, those products aren't selling and people shy away from products that don't sell. Not too big a deal when you're a big manufacturer. It can ruin small manufacturers like EK and Monsoon. All because of one knockoff artist's flagrant disregard for fair play and reasonable costs associated with manufacturing. This is the cost of doing business with a certain country that shall remain nameless. But we know which I refer to.

mellowsmiley.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

The only "knock-off" stuff I see from barrow on MMM is the bitspower fittings, but I'm pretty sure they ARE bitspower, just under a different name. Do they sell EK/Monsoon knockoffs somewhere else? Either way, EK would lose nothing by selling their blocks and radiators on MMM, because Barrow isn't selling anything but fittings and a few reservoirs on MMM.

Barrow's supplies more than just fittings. They've got a FrozenQ style T virus Res available for resale as well as some other odds n ends. just because it isn't on MMM doesn't mean it can't be got through MMM. I'm sure MMM is a good company. And like any good company, they will order stock if there is enough interest in said stock. wink.gif

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Once again lets put to bed the fact that barrow is fake copy or clone of anything!

http://www.overclock.net/t/584302/ocn-water-cooling-club-and-picture-gallery/56710#post_21474445

And if you want to continue thinking that, then CL copied Mountain Mods and Tt copied CL, Parvum has a 900D, Deep Cool Genome has a virus style res too, anyone who makes a cube case or reverse ATX should be shackled by Silverstone or Lian-Li, Asetek sued everyone for copying them, and yadda yadda yadda.

We live in an age where it is very difficult to have an absolutely original idea. Most products now are redesigns of previous products and if the design is different enough to be somewhat unique it can be protected. If it's not protected it's fair game, just the way it is. You can yell "intellectual property" all day long from the rooftops but the lawyers and judges will just lol.
 
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post #598 of 608
So the paint is different it isn't a copy?

Give me a break.

There is no diff
It is a rip off.

There are major differences in most of what you said (not all)


Look at xspc vs ek vs monsoon vs bitspower 90s.


Tell me they are the same. Go ahead
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So the paint is different it isn't a copy?

Give me a break.

There is no diff
It is a rip off.

There are major differences in most of what you said (not all)


Look at xspc vs ek vs monsoon vs bitspower 90s.


Tell me they are the same. Go ahead

It's more than just paint, look at the body of the fittings, as well as the knurled base. Even VSG/geggeg proved it was wrong. Your just being hard headed, lol.
 
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So the paint is different it isn't a copy?

Give me a break.

There is no diff
It is a rip off.

There are major differences in most of what you said (not all)


Look at xspc vs ek vs monsoon vs bitspower 90s.


Tell me they are the same. Go ahead

It's a 90 degree fitting... all 3 internally are very similar... The bitspower/Barrow fittings both use simplistic designs that create a 90 degree bend and nothing more..
http://www.performance-pcs.com/koolance-nozzle-single-black-g1-4-swivel-angled-13mm-1-2-single-fitting.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/bitspower-g1-4-matte-black-dual-rotary-90-degree-compression-fitting-ultimate-id-3-8-od-5-8-v3.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/alphacool-angled-adaptor-90-revolvable-g1-4-outer-thread-to-g1-4-inner-thread-deep-black.html

All three are pretty damn close if you ask me. Sure, they look a little different, but overall, the same... Change the size of a corvette tail light and its mirrors and it's still a corvette.
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