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Originally Posted by reldA View Post

I've been stuck on which mouse to choose from the series the past couple days. My hand size is 17.5 ( 6.9inch roughly) cm from base of palm to end of hand and my center of hand is 8.89 ( 3.5inch) cm in width. I currently use a corsair m65 but I feel that this mouse is too large, weirdly sized, and too heavy weighing in at around 130grams. The size is roughly 124 mm (4.9inch) long from the bottom side. The top side from the start of the mouse to the back of the hump is 134 mm (5.3 Inch). The height of the hump is the same as the Zowie hump. Overall its an OK mouse since iv'e had it for a while but recently I tried out an old broken Ibuypower mouse that my brother had and I loved the smaller shape and size. Since it was broken, I went out to buy the logitech g100s because of the size. The size of the g100s was too small since it caused my hand to cramp up when playing. Is the g100s similar to the ZA13? I am trying to decide between the ZA12 or the ZA13 but do not want one that feels too large like my current m65 mouse and too small and crampy like the g100s. Thanks
-Drew

I would go for the ZA-12 then. The Za-11 might be a tad too big for your liking. I also tested the G100s and had the same issues along with the low max tracking speed. I went for ZA-11 and my hands are 20cm long and 9cm in width and it is really comfortable in all 3 grips, palm grip, claw grip for cs and fingertip for rts, mobas and the desktop environment. So i would assume that with your shorter fingers the ZA-11 would be too big.

Go for the ZA-12 . Many people already mentioned that the build quality is really good, the sensor performs well and works good for low sense. The shape is good for all 3 griptypes. The only negative thing i can say about it are the stiff buttons.

But so far there is no perfect mouse out there, every mouse has some sort of flaw.
post #252 of 295
Thanks! ordering it today biggrin.gif
post #253 of 295
nvm, it's the ZA11.
Edited by bond10 - 4/6/16 at 11:04am
post #254 of 295
Hi Everyone,

Wanted to get in on the discussion. I'm planning to change my mouse soon, I'm coming from a Logitech g400s -- which I loved because of the shape -- but something's been off with the mouse recently, particularly the left click and I think it's time for me to change my mouse. I'm not really sure what grip i use, I think its a hybrid with my fingers a little curled up for the l/r mouse buttons with the bottom part of my palm making contact with the back side of the mouse with the base of my hand/palm touching the mouse pad. I'd say for MOBA's and less competitive games I use palm, and during FPS games (CS:GO) I use hybrid/claw. My hand size is about 19cm. I've been looking around for gaming mice that I can replace my g400s with and I've been led to the Zowie mice which is apparently known as one of the best, if not the best gaming mice for FPS games.

I've considered the g402 mice from Logitech -- the "successor" to the g400s, but I've had a chance to try out the feel of the g402 at a shop but it felt a little smaller to my hand than the g400s which could be an issue for me down the line. Also, I don't think it's as good as the sensors that Zowie uses. I'm also looking at the g502, which people say is closer to the g400s shape than that of the g402 and also because of some feedback about how good its sensor is but the 121g (no weights added) weight of the mouse might be an issue for me.

That led me to consider the ZA11 as a potential replacement for my g400s. I've read that the EC1-a/EC2-a mice are the most similar in shape to the G400s but I can't find stores here in my country (Philippines) that sell the EC series. The only available Zowie models here are the ZA11 and FK1,FK2 and I think that the ZA will be the easier transition for me than the FKs if I do decide to go with the Zowie. I know some adjustments will have to be made transitioning an ergo shape to a ambidextrous shape but I wouldn't mind minor adjustments switching to an ambidextrous shape. Is the ZA11 a decent replacement for my g400s? I haven't had the chance to try out the ZA11's grip/feel here because the shops don't have any ZA11 demo units to test out. Everything else I'm sold on. I like the look (very simple, no frills), Huano switches (I haven't tried them personally but I enjoy having a little feedback to my clicks and I think I wouldn't mind having them over the Omron switches) and of course the sensor that ZA11 uses which is one of the best in the business. My concern is mostly be about the transition from the g400s shape to the ZA11 form factor. Is the ZA11 good for a grip similar to the g400s? Or should I give the FK series a look?

Looking forward to your feedback.

Thank you in advance!


Great thread btw.
post #255 of 295
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Originally Posted by rookiezero1132 View Post

Hi Everyone,

Wanted to get in on the discussion. I'm planning to change my mouse soon, I'm coming from a Logitech g400s -- which I loved because of the shape -- but something's been off with the mouse recently, particularly the left click and I think it's time for me to change my mouse. I'm not really sure what grip i use, I think its a hybrid with my fingers a little curled up for the l/r mouse buttons with the bottom part of my palm making contact with the back side of the mouse with the base of my hand/palm touching the mouse pad. I'd say for MOBA's and less competitive games I use palm, and during FPS games (CS:GO) I use hybrid/claw. My hand size is about 19cm. I've been looking around for gaming mice that I can replace my g400s with and I've been led to the Zowie mice which is apparently known as one of the best, if not the best gaming mice for FPS games.

I've considered the g402 mice from Logitech -- the "successor" to the g400s, but I've had a chance to try out the feel of the g402 at a shop but it felt a little smaller to my hand than the g400s which could be an issue for me down the line. Also, I don't think it's as good as the sensors that Zowie uses. I'm also looking at the g502, which people say is closer to the g400s shape than that of the g402 and also because of some feedback about how good its sensor is but the 121g (no weights added) weight of the mouse might be an issue for me.

That led me to consider the ZA11 as a potential replacement for my g400s. I've read that the EC1-a/EC2-a mice are the most similar in shape to the G400s but I can't find stores here in my country (Philippines) that sell the EC series. The only available Zowie models here are the ZA11 and FK1,FK2 and I think that the ZA will be the easier transition for me than the FKs if I do decide to go with the Zowie. I know some adjustments will have to be made transitioning an ergo shape to a ambidextrous shape but I wouldn't mind minor adjustments switching to an ambidextrous shape. Is the ZA11 a decent replacement for my g400s? I haven't had the chance to try out the ZA11's grip/feel here because the shops don't have any ZA11 demo units to test out. Everything else I'm sold on. I like the look (very simple, no frills), Huano switches (I haven't tried them personally but I enjoy having a little feedback to my clicks and I think I wouldn't mind having them over the Omron switches) and of course the sensor that ZA11 uses which is one of the best in the business. My concern is mostly be about the transition from the g400s shape to the ZA11 form factor. Is the ZA11 good for a grip similar to the g400s? Or should I give the FK series a look?

Looking forward to your feedback.

Thank you in advance!

Great thread btw.

The sensor in the Zowies isn't really better than the solution in the G402, so I wouldn't hold back based on that. But to be frank: if you really liked the G400s and the difference in shape to the G402 is already uncomfortable then the ZA11 will be much different, because it's an ambidextrous mouse. You might like it instantly (I know I did), but that's impossible to tell because everyone has different hands and preferences. What I can tell you though is that the ZA is probably more down your ally than an FK because it is bigger in the back which would be closer to a G400s shape.
Also you are correct, EC series is much closer to the G400 shape. So if you do happen to find a source on those I'd recommend to try those first, and even there it's hard to tell if you'd prefer the bigger or the smaller version.
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post #256 of 295
Hey Ino,

Thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, I know how different the feel of a mouse varies from person to person and the best way to find out is to try it out myself. However, I won't have a chance to get a feel of the ZA11 shape before buying it because the shops here don't have demo units on display. Anyway, I think I'll still go for the ZA11. It shot up to the top of my list of g400s replacement candidates -- partly because of the things that I've read here -- Plus I think I'll enjoy having Huano switches on my mouse, I like having that more tactile click when playing FPS games which the ZAs have.

Anyway, thanks again for the feedback. I'll let you guys know once I get my hands on the ZA11 and my thoughts on it.


Cheers!
post #257 of 295
Late to the party. Didn't even know about Zowie's ZA range till today. Happy FK1 user here, although it tends to cramp my hands hand.
I hold the mouse exactly as you, Ino, in that picture. Also, my hand measures 19.5/9.5cm.

The fact that I grip with thumb, and V in combination with the FK1's narrow mid section, and low profile back results in an unnatural dome, leading to cramps over time. It's not an issue when finger-tipping it (browsing, office, editing work), but my aim suffers highly when playing that way. I have no problems with beefier backs, such as the "Pilot" shape from Logi (MX300, G100s), or Razer's Taipan&Abyssus, however, I don't like mentioned mice for different reasons.

Ino, do you think, I'd benefit from the ZA11 or should I wait for the FK1+? Zowie stuff is really expensive in Europe, and our return policyies are kinda strict, so I cannot just test drive one.

Cheers, and thanks for your always great, and helpful reviews!
Edited by phl0w - 6/15/16 at 5:12am
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anyone tried any ZA (ZA12 specifically, but should be similar/the same) with the japanese omrons that have slightly higher 'click' position? I'm wondering if it'll help make the buttons feel a lot lighter - as it does with G100s (not that it has heavy clicks but...) and other mice with no separate button shells.
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anyone tried any ZA (ZA12 specifically, but should be similar/the same) with the japanese omrons that have slightly higher 'click' position? I'm wondering if it'll help make the buttons feel a lot lighter - as it does with G100s (not that it has heavy clicks but...) and other mice with no separate button shells.

sorry for the late reply but I believe they removed omrons and you can most likely only find them used, they're back to huanos afaik with the new 'red benQ logo' (even though the white/black looked way better)
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Late to the party. Didn't even know about Zowie's ZA range till today. Happy FK1 user here, although it tends to cramp my hands hand.
I hold the mouse exactly as you, Ino, in that picture. Also, my hand measures 19.5/9.5cm.

The fact that I grip with thumb, and V in combination with the FK1's narrow mid section, and low profile back results in an unnatural dome, leading to cramps over time. It's not an issue when finger-tipping it (browsing, office, editing work), but my aim suffers highly when playing that way. I have no problems with beefier backs, such as the "Pilot" shape from Logi (MX300, G100s), or Razer's Taipan&Abyssus, however, I don't like mentioned mice for different reasons.

Ino, do you think, I'd benefit from the ZA11 or should I wait for the FK1+? Zowie stuff is really expensive in Europe, and our return policyies are kinda strict, so I cannot just test drive one.

Cheers, and thanks for your always great, and helpful reviews!

Whoa, I completely missed this post, sorry.

I think the ZA11 and FK1+ are equally good for bigger hands. I played with the FK1+ for a couple weeks and I was right at home with it from the start. It being wider kind of compensates for the lack of the palm support that the ZA11 offers with its rear bump. Basically ZA11 and FK1+ fixed the troubles I had with the FK1.
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