Originally Posted by Kuivamaa
We are running in circles. Everything about the whole point you raise ("cost efficiency") is arbitrary. For one last time. In 16-18 months , vishera FX octocores will be replaced. If AMD hits their target with their new stuff, any 4C/8T Zen chip will be a good upgrade vs the octocore both in ST (especially) and MT workloads and more efficient. It will also be much faster in MT than whatever plain mainstream quad intel has out around that time, priced between 170-250. This will be vishera's replacement, If you want a CPU around the 150-200 mark , expect something like that. Their 6C/12T unit will be higher positioned and higher priced. 200 - 300 was the price for thubans back in the day, and they were going up against i7 9x0 chips while being monolithic (no SMT). Even If Zen trails Skylake-E as bad as Ph II trailed Nehalem in ST, SMT alone guarantees it will be way more competitive as a whole and thus priced higher. This is how AMD always did business, If their design allows for a higher price point, they will claim it.
i can't wrap around my head as to how optimistic you are.
1) theres no demonstration as to how well they can handle SMT, but doubtfully better than intel's hyperthreading.
2) saying 40% IPC boost AMD claims is a fact, when all of their previous statements fell short.
3) having performance parity warrants a high price, worse perf/$ even, now this is subjective but its the wrong approach.
4) worse off, budget starting price tag of $150 as you guys even place it, i can't even imagine the lower end market.
Originally Posted by Daious
He didn't say that.
Zen and Cannonlake are launching in the same time frame in 2016.
Zen will be forced to compete with Intel's 7000 series.
yeah i know, i just can't get it, why are people so overly optimistic.Edited by epic1337 - 5/20/15 at 11:58am