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Lastly, that Dell example is pointless.
The Asus PA328G or the Samsung U32E850R is far superior for a Gamer. I need essentially what those two offer, in a 40". But I am open to any suggestion that meet my criteria. I just don't have time to listen to all the self-inflicted woes or join/participate in group therapy threads.

For some reason, market for 4K 40" monitors is in some funny state at the moment. Products from big, reputable companies are almost non-existing and essentially your only option are those dodgy Korean units. It does not look like 40" is (yet?) recognized as a 'valid' size for a monitor (some people say 30" is too much already).

What I would REALLY want to see is ~30-40" OLED monitor. LG manufactures 4K OLED TVs and they are absolutely beautiful: ultra wide color gamut, perfect viewing angles, blacks and contrast ratio, instant pixel response time (no ghosting whatsoever), no problem with those crazy backlight artifacts (bleed, glow, halos) - we are talking about 'reference-level' display quality here, that absolutely no LCD panel can come close to. The only problem is they are available in >55" sizes, which is way too big for a monitor.

If they scaled these panels down to 30-40" and equipped them with low input lag / hight refresh rate controller boards, I would pay any (within a reason, of course) money for such product.
post #1002 of 1247
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Hey, busy season at work is finally starting to die out and getting some free time on my hands again.

I see this thread has really taken off, anything in the last 70 or so pages that should be added to the OP?
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For some reason, market for 4K 40" monitors is in some funny state at the moment. Products from big, reputable companies are almost non-existing and essentially your only option are those dodgy Korean units. It does not look like 40" is (yet?) recognized as a 'valid' size for a monitor (some people say 30" is too much already).

What I would REALLY want to see is ~30-40" OLED monitor. LG manufactures 4K OLED TVs and they are absolutely beautiful: ultra wide color gamut, perfect viewing angles, blacks and contrast ratio, instant pixel response time (no ghosting whatsoever), no problem with those crazy backlight artifacts (bleed, glow, halos) - we are talking about 'reference-level' display quality here, that absolutely no LCD panel can come close to. The only problem is they are available in >55" sizes, which is way too big for a monitor.

If they scaled these panels down to 30-40" and equipped them with low input lag / hight refresh rate controller boards, I would pay any (within a reason, of course) money for such product.

 

Yes, that "funny state" is because of collusion in the industry.

 

27" gaming monitors are about 10 years too late. If nVidia, or AMD wanted to do something about gaming and propel themselves forward, why not make specific panels themselves for Gamers? And not uber small dorm room size, but big open space enthusiast size (ie: 39"). The price has zero bearing as no gamer shops their Monitor with a budget. A person's monitor is the most important aspect of their system. And yet, all we have to choose form is utter garbage and taken from the TV world.

 

Bring back rear projection TV and zero latency please...   just make them 3440 x 2160 and 39 inches. It will be a mega hit with Gamers. Or anti up and drop OLED monitors. The latency and flickering bull**** has to stop, it is almost 2016 and monitors have gone backwards.

 

I know a ton of people who would drop $2k on a OLED 39" gaming panel. I am being forced to save my money and not to spend, because nothing out there is worth a Gamers money. I am not alone.

 

 

 

Also...

Who is holding up Display Port 1.4 ..?   Why is nobody tracing out new 1.4 boards and circuitry for them. Why doesn't Anadtech follow such stories and engineers..? Like they did engineers for Lucid Hydra, or intel chip makers..? Panels are only half the story, circuitry is the key... who is M-Star..? Why isn't money being thrown at them, or Realtek for low noise, high speed low-latency fast boards..?

 

Nobody needs 144hz it is a marketing gimmick. I would settle for 90hz, 3ms panel and 12ms of latency. Why these companies don't want people's money is confusing.

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Yes, that "funny state" is because of collusion in the industry.

27" gaming monitors are about 10 years too late. If nVidia, or AMD wanted to do something about gaming and propel themselves forward, why not make specific panels themselves for Gamers? And not uber small dorm room size, but big open space enthusiast size (ie: 39"). The price has zero bearing as no gamer shops their Monitor with a budget. A person's monitor is the most important aspect of their system. And yet, all we have to choose form is utter garbage and taken from the TV world.

Bring back rear projection TV and zero latency please...   just make them 3440 x 2160 and 39 inches. It will be a mega hit with Gamers. Or anti up and drop OLED monitors. The latency and flickering bull**** has to stop, it is almost 2016 and monitors have gone backwards.

I know a ton of people who would drop $2k on a OLED 39" gaming panel. I am being forced to save my money and not to spend, because nothing out there is worth a Gamers money. I am not alone.



Also...
Who is holding up Display Port 1.4 ..?   Why is nobody tracing out new 1.4 boards and circuitry for them. Why doesn't Anadtech follow such stories and engineers..? Like they did engineers for Lucid Hydra, or intel chip makers..? Panels are only half the story, circuitry is the key... who is M-Star..? Why isn't money being thrown at them, or Realtek for low noise, high speed low-latency fast boards..?

Nobody needs 144hz it is a marketing gimmick. I would settle for 90hz, 3ms panel and 12ms of latency. Why these companies don't want people's money is confusing.

you mean dp 1.3? we should see that show up on monitors this spring. Probably see a whole host of 4k 120hz, and even some 8k 60hz monitors and TV's showing up at CES this year with Pascal and Greenland GPU's coming out and likely having DP 1.3 outputs on them to push these guys.

The circuit boards are there, but no reason to put them into production driving up the cost on their products when literally nothing can utilize it. Samsung had a fully functioning 8k TV on display 5 or 6 years ago, so the circuit board side is fine, just waiting on the ability to push them for now.
post #1005 of 1247
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...I know a ton of people who would drop $2k on a OLED 39" gaming panel...

This is an anecdotal evidence which has nothing to do with reality. The number of people buying expensive stuff decreases exponentially with pretty modest jump in price. For example, the number of people buying $2000 monitors is at least 10 times smaller than in $1000 range category. You can just look into ebay sales figures and witness how many people jumped in during July Crossover 404K sale, with pretty modest price drop from $650 to $500. In other words, manufacturer with good sales volume can have tiny profit margins on commodity product, but still it would provide more R&D money, than 3 or 5 OLED TV units they sold last year.
post #1006 of 1247
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This is an anecdotal evidence which has nothing to do with reality. The number of people buying expensive stuff decreases exponentially with pretty modest jump in price. For example, the number of people buying $2000 monitors is at least 10 times smaller than in $1000 range category. You can just look into ebay sales figures and witness how many people jumped in during July Crossover 404K sale, with pretty modest price drop from $650 to $500. In other words, manufacturer with good sales volume can have tiny profit margins on commodity product, but still it would provide more R&D money, than 3 or 5 OLED TV units they sold last year.

 

It is not.

 

It is what is mirrored among my friends and people I know and play games with. The PRICE means nothing, if the PRODUCT is what they want.  Instead, the "business men/Market" have decided that cheap 27" panels can be marketed as super kewl if sped up and sees added profits built in. So that younger kids can start buying old format 27" Monitors and make them rich, even if selling them out the back door.

 

Where are the Flagship gaming monitors..?

 

 

 

 

Tegiri, you do not have to believe me, just cast a poll and see how many people would give up their cheap 27" dorm room monitors, for a real forward monitor like I mentioned for $2k. And do understand, the people I am talking about don't fiddle shop at Ebay...  they buy from a company such as New Egg. Done & done... no hassles.

 

People looking for deals are not the same people looking for hard core gaming rig & playing sessions...


Edited by formula m - 10/15/15 at 8:21am
post #1007 of 1247
formula m, you need to present these questions and statements to the monitor manufacturers - they're not really contributing to the thread, and there's nothing any of us can do to bring the products you want, to market.
You're absolutely right that buying Korean none-A-grade panels has some risk and is not always a seamless process. These screens are not for you.
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Hey, busy season at work is finally starting to die out and getting some free time on my hands again.

I see this thread has really taken off, anything in the last 70 or so pages that should be added to the OP?

Can you please add that the UHD420 now supports Freesync - download link to the firmware update etc. are in http://www.overclock.net/t/1554580/got-a-wasabi-mango-4k-42-korean-ips-monitor-what-tests-to-run/930#post_24446539 thumb.gif
post #1009 of 1247
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formula m, you need to present these questions and statements to the monitor manufacturers - they're not really contributing to the thread, and there's nothing any of us can do to bring the products you want, to market.
You're absolutely right that buying Korean none-A-grade panels has some risk and is not always a seamless process. These screens are not for you.

 

 

Trust me, there are more gamers buying these, than casuals...

 

The performance of these panels are what is fueling their sales. oddly, the $1,200 Phillips doesn't compete or even offer a flicker free environment... or gaming sync technology. 

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nvm
Edited by AndrewWOT - 10/16/15 at 11:30am
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