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Wow. KDE really is the unoptimized DE. sad-smiley-002.gif

The latter versions of KDE 4.x were really competitive. Alas the new 5.0 packages feel like a huge step backwards again
post #12 of 21
Regarding graphics drivers and dual booting et al.

Firstly, nouveau is useless for modern gaming and despite what anyone says, as long as you aren't shooting for 100% FOSS, the proprietary driver is simply a must. Anyone who disagrees has an agenda other than performance.'

Secondly, before contemplating dual boot I strongly urge OP to visit the WineHQ site linked by Rookie1337 to see what is the progress on the games you run now. Also check Steam. Wine may have some issues and difficulties but between it and Steam most games that work, work actually better on Linux (even with Wine) than in Windows. Part of the reason for this is less clutter, better hardware control, superior TCP/IP stack, and better memory management.

PS Hey there GonX haven't seen you in a long time. Welcome back smile.gif
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post #13 of 21
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Doesn't seem like neither one of the games I play will work on / with Wine.

I don't know. I just hate how slow windows 7 seems to be. Not to mention the error claiming the windows installation is invalid.

I also hate how if FireFox is open too long, and with 3-4 tabs... It seems to slow down / become laggy after a while... causing me to save what I am doing and restarting the browser.
post #14 of 21
You might want to go and ask for help in the Windows sub-forum. What you see about things getting slower is not normal. Windows can stay completely fine for years and years as long as you don't touch anything (install and uninstall programs, or using weird optimizing tools). There might be good ways to diagnose if there's an issue with your current Windows installation.

You could try to reinstall Windows and then stay as boring as possible. Don't install anything you don't actually need, not even drivers for the devices where you see that things just work with what Windows Update finds and installs by itself.

About Windows not wanting to activate, if you click around in the "System" window where the product ID and activation status is mentioned, the help text will lead you to a free phone number for your country. If you call that, a machine will answer and following its instructions will activate Windows.

About Firefox, you might be using an addon/extension that's not well behaved. It could be Adobe's Flash being broken. You can have the same problems with Firefox on Linux. tongue.gif
post #15 of 21
And just because we all have our favorite, have you checked out Mint with Cinnamon? I wouldn't worry overly about the graphics driver, or dual monitor support. It has worked out of the box on every distro I've tried (most every ubuntu derivative, sabayon, and a few others I'm forgetting that I tried before settling on mint).

As to if your games will work: get an ubuntu VM going and give it a try, just be ready for it to be slow and choppy, but if it runs, then it will only run better on a true install and you're good to go. Initial googling suggests that Elsword and LaTale have been tried a bit and never made to work. You may be chained to Windows on this one.

I personnally run a dual boot and live in Linux. I only cross back over to Windows for the little bit of gaming I do and to work in Solidworks. The nice thing about this setup is that your windows install will be pretty slim, just the OS and the couple games. If you have to nuke it, it doesn't take as long to rebuild it fresh.

EDIT: I second deepor. You really should look into this windows slow-down thing more. Windows isn't the that much of a trainwreck. It could be a usage habit you have that creates the issue (I'm incredibly suspiscious of ccleaner, btw, and I believe it damages the OS) or it could be an insideous program. Maybe your solution is a fresh install, create an image of it, and then just routinely reload the image every 3 months.
Edited by esp42089 - 5/17/15 at 8:13pm
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Personally I blame how windows handles updates but like the others said this isn't the best section for that and it is not normal.
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post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by esp42089 View Post

And just because we all have our favorite, have you checked out Mint with Cinnamon? I wouldn't worry overly about the graphics driver, or dual monitor support. It has worked out of the box on every distro I've tried (most every ubuntu derivative, sabayon, and a few others I'm forgetting that I tried before settling on mint).

As to if your games will work: get an ubuntu VM going and give it a try, just be ready for it to be slow and choppy, but if it runs, then it will only run better on a true install and you're good to go. Initial googling suggests that Elsword and LaTale have been tried a bit and never made to work. You may be chained to Windows on this one.

I personnally run a dual boot and live in Linux. I only cross back over to Windows for the little bit of gaming I do and to work in Solidworks. The nice thing about this setup is that your windows install will be pretty slim, just the OS and the couple games. If you have to nuke it, it doesn't take as long to rebuild it fresh.

EDIT: I second deepor. You really should look into this windows slow-down thing more. Windows isn't the that much of a trainwreck. It could be a usage habit you have that creates the issue (I'm incredibly suspiscious of ccleaner, btw, and I believe it damages the OS) or it could be an insideous program. Maybe your solution is a fresh install, create an image of it, and then just routinely reload the image every 3 months.

I did have AVG PC-tune-up on it at one point, And ran every tool it had thinking it was helping / keeping it clean... Then I learned that Tools like that are bad for the system.. and to only use Ccleaner.

I might just do that.. Though I've lost the original key I had for this windows installation... so it's kind of pointless.

And all I really do on this PC is play two aforementioned games, Watch YouTube, And listen to music as well as browsing the web. That's about it.
post #18 of 21
This tool shows you the key you used on your current Windows installation: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

If you decide to wipe things and reinstall (don't forget to get the key with that tool and write it down before wiping the drive), you should check out Linux for a bit. The suggested Mint Cinnamon is pretty. Web browsing and music is no problem. The two games might just work with Wine.

About Wine, the only problem I see is that for things that I tried to run with it, the guides on WineHQ always mentioned obscure additions that had to be installed with the "winetricks" tool, but your games are missing on the WineHQ website so there's no guide. If there's a problem with the games, I have no idea if finding out what additions to install is simple or not.
post #19 of 21
If you're a gamer, you don't convert to Linux on a whim.
You Migrate to Linux slowly . . .

Things are changing and MS is losing clout in the gaming community with DEV's. Money talks and many DEV's are not loyal anymore.

The cool thing about STEAM PLAY rated games, you don't buy the game over-over again per OS platform and you can test the performance of that game on multi platforms, MAC/MS/Linux/Android with your existing Steam Account
Edited by sk2play - 5/17/15 at 11:08pm
post #20 of 21
I agree with digging up the Windows key, and any other keys you may have lost, even if you don't wipe the system right away. I haven't used a program like that in a while so the one mentioned above is probably a good place to start. Saving a written copy somewhere safe will be important if you have to reinstall for any reason. I've had the issue with hooking up a piece of hardware and Windows saying it isn't genuine. I reinstalled and ommited updates for Genuine Advantage and had no issues. I believe it asked for my key again after the reinstall to 'validate' or whatever. After that it worked ok.

I noticed on a couple machines that worked fine for a while that they had serious issues with performance when using hibernation. over time it would get slower and slower to the point it would take over 4 minutes to recover from hibernate. That was just ridiculous and I ended up turning off hibernate and just shutting down. But there was still some slowdown issues with my computer until I switched to Mint 17 Cinnamon. I really like Cinnamon (using it on my main PC) and would love to recommend it to people wanting to try Linux, but I can't. There is a bug where the screen locks up, and it affects different hardware to varying degrees. On my Core2Duo G41 chipset it almost never has the lockup issue. On this machine (Haswell H81) it happens infrequently but can be really annoying on certain games. On an ASRock J1900 it can lock up bad enough to require a reboot. The mouse moves and usually sound will still be playing but the graphics stop advancing for a while. Usually 4-6 seconds at a time on the Haswell and much longer for the J1900 Bay Trail. This is all with built in graphics. I just got a GT720 and will put that through its paces to see if the problem continues there. The bug is known, but they haven't been able to narrow down the cause and it seems to affect different hardware differently, so it doesn't seem like it will be fixed in the immediate future.

I also agree with trying to transition as opposed to completely jumping ship if you don't have previous experience. I personally would highly advise using a separate machine or a different hard drive to install on. You can just change the boot order in BIOS or hit the hotkey to bring up the boot device selection and pick which OS to use. Unplugging the Windows drive when doing any formatting or partitioning in Linux would also be very smart if you aren't completely certain of what you are doing. I personally haven't tried dual booting from one hard drive, and I really don't think it is the best option for new users unless it is the only option you have. Multiple backups of irreplacable data is always advisable for anyone using any computer.

A tip for firefox - if you don't already have it set up to allow you to save tabs, you can go to about:config, agree to the warning, and scroll down to browser.showQuitWarning, then change to true. This brings up a menu asking if you want to quit, cancel, or save & quit when you try to close the browser. I always use save & quit so I can keep a few tabs open that I want to revisit in the near future but don't want to bother with at the moment. It is also handy if you need to reboot for any reason, or if you have been using the browser a lot and a memory leak is eating your RAM. I sometimes do this with videos I want to watch later, simply click the video, move to a new tab, then save & quit. I can reopen Firefox and it doesn't load the tab until you click on it (assuming you haven't changed this setting). If you have multiple windows open (or downloads, history, or other settings windows), you want to close the window you want to save last.
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