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I'm referring to the general masses that jump in thread and spout how bad amd is and how intel is better

And your claiming a $30 mb with a $250 i7/xeon is better choice when acutally even the budget AMD $30 board is better.

For ultimate performance there is i7, for budget gaming/builds there are FX8

There is zero way a i5/i7/xeon could be better price/performance than AMD on a budget.

I only h ave a i5 4670k because I got it with the mb for $225 USED, I was going to buy a 8320 and 970a-ud3p but the motherboard was sold out.

So even a used i5 setup is more than a new fx8 build
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A few pages back I showed how a well made decade old game can load all 8 cores on an FX. Now let's take a look at the future.

This is the loads of a pre alpha game based on the Unity 5 engine. All it has here is an island with trees, bushes, grass, insects, buildings, ships, clouds, water, sun, moon, stars, and day and night cycle. Note that the CPU is loafing while the GPU is fully loaded in this unoptimized environment.

This means that in the future a cheap FX combined with a hot rod GPU will have a long happy life.

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You completely skewed the comparison....

You said, "You are comparing the prices you paid as an individual to general pricing. I can find sale prices as well on any item I've bought too, it's truly not that hard."

So which is it??? If it's not hard, then why not use that pricing?

I paid $180 for my first 290, but I gave you $300 credit against it to be nice....

Don't tell ME I paid $135 for 8320E when I clearly paid $99 for an 8300.....
Don't tell me I have to have a more expensive motherboard, when I am clearly running at this clock speed on a cheaper one.... A nicer one would certainly do better I'm sure, but I didn't want to spend $170-220 on the top end motherboard, when I was simply looking for something to OC to 4.5 or better, slap some graphics cards in it, and call it a day. It was through a little luck and research I got to 4.9GHz, but 4.6Ghz fell in my lap, and I've seen that on a regular basis.

As far as power supply goes.... How does that factor into the argument at all? Whether you are overclocking an i7, or an FX, when using one high end GPU, you are going to want a good 600w unit, and if running 2 high end video cards you are going to want an 850w+ generally.... I don't see your point there, unless you are inferring that I NEED 2 video cards with an AMD CPU to perform with one video on an intel CPU?? doh.gif

And crossfire... I figured I'd save this for last.....

First of all, my single 290 runs everything on high/ultra settings with no problem using this CPU
The second card is just icing on the cake, and was really just bought for when I go 4k.

I've played skyrim, C3, BF3, BF4, FC3, FC4, and even the free to play stuff like planet side and Blacklight, all with great performance.....
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Enjoy your $350 processor, my entire FX 8310 build is less than that and i'm sure you think you get 5x fps even though you spend 10x the money on your system

For budget builds the fx8 is a great chip and performs great

I couldn't agree more with this post! thumb.gif
post #115 of 369
Even tho AM3+ is a dead socket, it's still the best value for those who are looking for more performance for less. OP should buy an FX 83XX and use the rest of the money into his GPU as it's old as heck.
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Even tho AM3+ is a dead socket, it's still the best value for those who are looking for more performance for less. OP should buy an FX 83XX and use the rest of the money into his GPU as it's old as heck.

Agreed....

He already has the board, he already has the cooling....
Get a cheap FX-8, and upgrade that GPU.
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I will close with one logic, and it's not one any intel owner could dispute....

You paid $330 or so for your CPU (which , for the performance that chip has when overclocked, and I have no problem with Intel at all thumb.gif )
You paid roughly $175 for your motherboard....
You paid X amount for your 290.... (lets say $300)

I paid $99 for my CPU (at 4.9GHz this CPU does really well for me personally, and performs right with my borther's 4.6GHz i5 and 4.3Ghz 3820 in everything we tested, including Skyrim [the only game that favored intel], Crysis 3, BF4, Far Cry 3, and Far Cry 4)
I paid $75 for my motherboard (not to say that it is of the same quality as yours, but it is a budget minded gaming board, that OC's decently, and has been a great value)
I paid X amount for my first 290.... (lets again say $300 for comparison)
I then bought another 290 for $230 shipped

Now, between yourself and I, who do you think has better gaming performance?? Honestly.....
And you spent a hypothetical $100 more than I did.... and I am pretty certain I am getting MUCH HIGHER framerates in games than you are... by a long shot.

That is my only argument to the whole thing really. With a much larger budget, I'd of gone with a 5820k and 2 980's.... but that's just digressing from my point.

Honestly? Me. Considering Crossfire barely gets proper updates these days and a large amount of games aside from the standard triple A ones don't even support it unfortunately. Otherwise I'd have picked up a second 290x as is. You do get the better frame rates in GPU limited sections obviously - but that is again assuming good crossfire compatibility.

Secondly, something everyone always seem to forget is cooling. So add roughly $75-$100 to your cost right there if you want to hit anything above 4.5ghz (that 4.9ghz isn't on a stock cooler I assure you).

You are comparing the prices you paid as an individual to general pricing. I can find sale prices as well on any item I've bought too, it's truly not that hard. You are also negating the cost factor of a much beefier PSU requirement to run two 290s and a FX at 4.9

With my fx-9590 and oc'ed single 290x I pulled over 600w playing BF4, add another 290 or 290x to that mix and go from there.

The problem with AMD I found is the hidden costs. Most remotely decent AMD motherboards are $100 and ones I actually trust to run 24/7 with an OC like yours are much more. I had a Crosshair V Formula Z for the features and stability when I got my 9590. Cooling is also a challenge, especially when you live in Florida like me.

I could have picked up a cheap h81 motherboard and slapped my i7 in it with the stock cooler and it wouldn't matter. So let's say $330 for cpu and $50 for board - keep the stock cooler because it has no problem keeping the 4.4ghz turbo in check.

$380 for an Intel i7, clearly a superior cpu in both single and multithreaded tasks

or...

120 for AMD motherboard + $135 for fx-8320e + $90 for decent cooling to have remotely ok temps on an OC needed to remotely compete

So we are at 345 vs 380 - yea, I'll take the intel rig so far

OR

We could just be wise and pick up a Xeon E3-1230V3

$50 mobo + $250 cpu - oh crap, I believe we are at a whopping $300 undercutting both and getting better performance than an FX-8 still? How crazy is that


It might keep temps in check, until you run something that can use AVX2 , then mine will hit shutdown temps almost instantly. There were some early adopters that had adaptive voltage selected and they fried their chips at stock speeds when they tried benches that use it.
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I need to clarify also - in light of this thread as I've mixed up this and another. In the OP's case, yes get a FX-8 (look on page one for my initial posts) - if buying new, I still stick by intel even on the low end as you can atleast upgrade to a 4790k down the road. Nothing else needs to be said on my end as we will have to agree to disagree.
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Like it's funny how people are still moaning and groaning about CPU performance. with DX 12, gaming is mostly going to be GPU based. If OP is using his PC for gaming and only gaming, then AMD FX 83XX and a newer video card that's DX 12 compliant and that will give him MUCH BETTER PERFORMANCE then any Intel upgrade especially if he's running that old 560Ti.
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I still stand by:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1535399/intel-vs-amd-same-budget-shootout-8350-4-5ghz-r290-vs-4670k-4-4-ghz-280x/0_100


Ultimate performance = i7

intel fans stating that AMD are terrible and slow and a i3 is better than a FX6/FX8 is clearly not true. Both CPU have moderate overclocks which anyone can obtain and the FX8 beats the i5 while costing $50-150 less. There is never a good reason to get a i5 over a FX8. In games the FX8 + better gpu (the price differnece) is faster and in encoding the extra cores will make the fx8 a better deal. I would personally either get a i7 if I wanted ultimate performance or a FX8/FX6 instead of the i3/i5 for people on a budget.
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