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Trudat! I looked again and maybe 4.5 would be it depending on vcore. I'm just guessing but how far could OP go on 1.4 vcore?
would depend on the chip he ends up with...lottery lottery lottery
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Grab a used 8530 (even though your CPU should be enough) then Zen. Or Skylake in 3 months.

I don't want to give my own personal money to Intel, although if someone wants to buy an Intel I'll make sure they get the best in their price range.

While I'm sure that if AMD ever became the leader in CPUs I'd probably switch to the underdog. However seeing it as everyone is beating them up like some wicked step child, I've got to support them.

So crossing my fingers that Zen will rock the CPU world.
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Seeing a lot of remarks on the 8320E vs 8350 vs 8370E, etc....

I'm thinking the gap is closing in on all of these to be honest....
My 8300 does 4.9GHz on mainstream 240mm AIO with 1.464v under load. That's with a motherboard that was $75 after rebate.....
Give me a swifttech cooler and a sabertooth and we are talking 5+ on a $99 OEM chip... Unless you are an extreme overclocking, and are somehow finding a higher ceiling after 5.1GHz with high end cooling and motherboard, there is no sense is spending the extra cash on the higher SKU's. Just my opinion though.....

The 8300 and 8370E have almost identical P states and voltage ratings at each state..... I'm not one to just blindly push something on somebody just because I bought it, but in my case, I ended up buying something that I would gladly reccomend because of the value I found in it thumb.gif

As far as the upgrade itself.... any of these 8 core piledriver chips are going to not only crush the bulldozer architecture on a per-core basis, but the additional cores are going to open up a lot of headroom also. Especially as time passes....
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The just released witcher 3
The 8xxx does perform a lot better but it seems that even the 4xxx is still good enough for 60fps gaming. But it is reaching its end, notice the +- 90% cpu usage on the fx-4xxx

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Retro-The_Witcher_2_Assassins_of_Kings-test-witcher3_proz.jpg

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The just released witcher 3
The 8xxx does perform a lot better but it seems that even the 4xxx is still good enough for 60fps gaming. But it is reaching its end, notice the +- 90% cpu usage on the fx-4xxx

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Retro-The_Witcher_2_Assassins_of_Kings-test-witcher3_proz.jpg

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Retro-The_Witcher_2_Assassins_of_Kings-test-witcher3_amd.jpg

true colors are starting to show on the lame i3s.

moar threads are always better.
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Hmm,

Looks like once FX-8's are in the 5GHz realm, they are fully capable of pushing a titan x or crossfire....
I am certainly getting max utilization on my two cards at 4.9GHz CPU.
Loving how we are starting to see AMD CPU's in the mix now, at least when they are clocked up a bit.

Those cores are finally paying off...... I love the load spread on the usage chart for the AMD CPU's.
This title seems to spread the loads almost as good on the 8 core as it does on the 4 core. That's some good dev work right there.
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true colors are starting to show on the lame i3s.

moar threads are always better.

The more the games become heavier and using more threads, the more the current FX will get better. The FX fortunately or unfortunately, is a CPU that will give its best, when it will be considered "old". To put it differently. Even if a game is programmed to spread in 8 threads, but it isn't too demanding, so it loads 50% on each core, the result is that an FX 8 core, will perform a bit better than an FX 4 core at 100% load (better due to the more FPUs). Or, an FX 8 core at 75% load, will perform a bit better than an FX 6 core at 100% load. The FX 8 cores, will give their best, when games come out that will be able to load 8 cores at 90-100%. When/if this happens, the situation compared to an i3, will be crushing victory for the FX, just like you see in x264 encoding benchmarks. In other words, it's not enough to load 8 cores. The game must load the 8 cores a LOT, to get the full benefit of the FX. Currently, the i3 performs well, because the current game programming, saturates its resources easier. But if a game today already saturates the i3, it means that tomorrow it has no room left. The opposite holds true for the FX. It isn't saturated today, so it's underperforming. But it has an untouched power pool left for tomorrow.

So, ironic as it may be, the FX 8-core, may actually be a better CPU in 3-5 years from now, than it is today (If the trend to use more threads in games continues).
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The more the games become heavier and using more threads, the more the current FX will get better. The FX fortunately or unfortunately, is a CPU that will give its best, when it will be considered "old". To put it differently. Even if a game is programmed to spread in 8 threads, but it isn't too demanding, so it loads 50% on each core, the result is that an FX 8 core, will perform a bit better than an FX 4 core at 100% load (better due to the more FPUs). Or, an FX 8 core at 75% load, will perform a bit better than an FX 6 core at 100% load. The FX 8 cores, will give their best, when games come out that will be able to load 8 cores at 90-100%. When/if this happens, the situation compared to an i3, will be crushing victory for the FX, just like you see in x264 encoding benchmarks. In other words, it's not enough to load 8 cores. The game must load the 8 cores a LOT, to get the full benefit of the FX. Currently, the i3 performs well, because the current game programming, saturates its resources easier. But if a game today already saturates the i3, it means that tomorrow it has no room left. The opposite holds true for the FX. It isn't saturated today, so it's underperforming. But it has an untouched power pool left for tomorrow.

So, ironic as it may be, the FX 8-core, may actually be a better CPU in 3-5 years from now, than it is today (If the trend to use more threads in games continues).

I think you may be on to something here.
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Agreed. I am peripherally involved in a group creating a game on the Unity 5 engine and while they are at the pre alpha stage working on a tech demo they are already talking about CPU loads. It's no big load to me but they are on quads. Methinks I will be selling them on 8xxx CPUs soon enough as loads will be going up some in the future.
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The more the games become heavier and using more threads, the more the current FX will get better. The FX fortunately or unfortunately, is a CPU that will give its best, when it will be considered "old". To put it differently. Even if a game is programmed to spread in 8 threads, but it isn't too demanding, so it loads 50% on each core, the result is that an FX 8 core, will perform a bit better than an FX 4 core at 100% load (better due to the more FPUs). Or, an FX 8 core at 75% load, will perform a bit better than an FX 6 core at 100% load. The FX 8 cores, will give their best, when games come out that will be able to load 8 cores at 90-100%. When/if this happens, the situation compared to an i3, will be crushing victory for the FX, just like you see in x264 encoding benchmarks. In other words, it's not enough to load 8 cores. The game must load the 8 cores a LOT, to get the full benefit of the FX. Currently, the i3 performs well, because the current game programming, saturates its resources easier. But if a game today already saturates the i3, it means that tomorrow it has no room left. The opposite holds true for the FX. It isn't saturated today, so it's underperforming. But it has an untouched power pool left for tomorrow.

So, ironic as it may be, the FX 8-core, may actually be a better CPU in 3-5 years from now, than it is today (If the trend to use more threads in games continues).

This same thing happened with the X6....

In 2010 it was meh..... There was nothing that impressive about it, other than having 6 cores......
In 2013/14 it finally became a legitimate chip and still is, because it can finally do what it was built to do.

I expect the FX to follow the same trend, and be a better contender in 2 years than it is now.
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