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Incorrect, MS use a points system to determine when a system differs enough from the original system to require a new PC. An overclock will never invalidate your Windows license. The biggest change to MS is a new/different motherboard IIRC.

Either way, everytime I've upgraded my PC and it's invalidated my license (motherboard swaps usually) I've just contacted MS and it's sorted pretty much immediately.

There is no point system, your key is tied to your MAC Address. You can change anything in your machine except the motherboard and be fine. Once you change the motherboard you'll have to start doing Internet or phone activations. At least, when it comes to OEM versions. Retail versions are a bit different in that they aren't tied to a singular system, but in a motherboard swap may still require an Internet or phone activation if you've installed N amount of times in T period of time.
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never had this problem changing nearly every component including motherboard.

Really?

I get it when I swap motherboards, even if for same exact model!

Outside of the random as all hell one time on the GPU swap, the ONLY time I have gotten a validation error is when swapping motherboards.
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There is no point system, your key is tied to your MAC Address. You can change anything in your machine except the motherboard and be fine. Once you change the motherboard you'll have to start doing Internet or phone activations. At least, when it comes to OEM versions. Retail versions are a bit different in that they aren't tied to a singular system, but in a motherboard swap may still require an Internet or phone activation if you've installed N amount of times in T period of time.

It won't be MAC tied, as MAC addresses are SUPER easy to change, and actually can be spoofed/changed with certain software on the fly. If it were tied to anything it would be the Motherboard serial number as reported by the BIOS.

You did bring up another good point though; OEM vs Retail. I have never used a Retail copy, I have always used OEM. I wonder how different they are. Technically OEM is supposed to be installed on one machine forever, while Retail you are free to move it to various machines you may own - only one active at a time.
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Yea, it's tied to the motherboard.


Dug this out from technet. The faq link is dead now, moved presumably.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/windows/en-US/9acf34ae-4270-414d-8e05-ec2cfa77f559/new-hardware-and-windows-validation

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Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same licence? What if it was replaced because it was defective?

A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hadware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the licence for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the
motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the licence of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's
warranty.

The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the End User Software Licence Terms and the support of the software covered by those terms. The End User Software Licence Terms are a set of usage rights granted to the end user by the computer manufacturer, and relate only to rights for that software as installed on that particular computer. The system builder is required to support the software on the original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PCs with different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that would still define the original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original system builder did not manufacture this new PC, and therefore cannot be expected to support it.
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If it wasn't for the games, I and a lot of others would have moved to Ubuntu a long time ago.
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I have literally never ran into this in God only knows how many alterations to a system on one Win 7 OS installation. The only time I have ran into an issue is with how many times I have activated my copy overall, after clean installs with new motherboards. The OC, RAM, and CPU in this box right now have been swapped out dozens of times in one form or another, without a single validation issue.

I have never seen an OC cause an OS validation to fail. Because the OS doesn't use clock speed to determine what is in the system.
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That's got to be fud. OS is tied to the motherboard, not cpu clock speed. If this were true, all of ocn would have been invalidated.

I had this happen. Not from overclocking directly,but i had a bad OC so i did a bios reset... got back into windows and it was deactivated. still have no idea how this happened.
    
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I have literally never ran into this in God only knows how many alterations to a system on one Win 7 OS installation. The only time I have ran into an issue is with how many times I have activated my copy overall, after clean installs with new motherboards. The OC, RAM, and CPU in this box right now have been swapped out dozens of times in one form or another, without a single validation issue.

I have never seen an OC cause an OS validation to fail. Because the OS doesn't use clock speed to determine what is in the system.
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That's got to be fud. OS is tied to the motherboard, not cpu clock speed. If this were true, all of ocn would have been invalidated.

I had this happen. Not from overclocking directly,but i had a bad OC so i did a bios reset... got back into windows and it was deactivated. still have no idea how this happened.


That's from something you did, not from any oc in and of itself. Know what I'm saying?
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That's from something you did, not from any oc in and of itself. Know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but how did that even happen? It makes no sense.
    
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That's from something you did, not from any oc in and of itself. Know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but how did that even happen? It makes no sense.


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...to put things simply: they REALLY want us all to move into Win10. Therefore I choose not to.

I choose uBuntu rather that Win10, because at this point I really did not trust M$ anymore. Call me paranoid all you want.
That's what I'm thinking. Microsoft seems pretty desperate to make people move to Windows 10. Makes me think they have some sort of vested interest (I mean beyond the fact that they make money from selling copies of Windows). What exactly are they trying to lock people into this time?
     
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I want a standalone option for previous owners.

I have a windows 8.1 upgrade for Win7.

WHen windows 10 hits I don't want to install Win7, than upgrade it to Win 8.1 than upgrade it to Win 10.
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