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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

To be honest, I think he just wanted to enter the entertainment system and found himself in a much larger system he intended to. Who in his right mind connects the entertainment system to a flight control system?

I was thinking that too. This is one of those cases where the flight system should be on a closed network and only able to be accessed from the cockpit. The entertainment system can be more open and able to be accessed from anywhere on the plane. These two systems should NEVER be able to be crossed or mixed. I could write a book on reasons why this is a bad idea.
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I find it funny, or maybe not, that his competitors in the security market went against him as if he set out to hurt people on purpose.

Instead of being shocked that he figured out what and how to do it, which should be noted and fixed asap on every airplane, they go against him as in "how dare he" without proof that he endangered anyone.

Yea, in the real world all that stuff in the movies would most likely land the hero in jail.

Common sense says, If you somehow alter a planes controls, you're going to get in trouble.

Altering a planes flight endangered the lives of everyone on the plane, and anyone on the ground that the plane could landed on had things gone wrong.

He took the "bad idea" route.
     
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lol he's not a researcher, he's a ddos scrub.
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post #24 of 85
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Yea, in the real world all that stuff in the movies would most likely land the hero in jail.

Common sense says, If you somehow alter a planes controls, you're going to get in trouble.

Altering a planes flight endangered the lives of everyone on the plane, and anyone on the ground that the plane could landed on had things gone wrong.

He took the "bad idea" route.

And I will ask the question again.

Did he actually change the flight controls or just looked at them and see if he could actually alter it? The reports on that, are flimsy at best.
A plane suddenly going "sideways" will be very much noticed by either pilots or ground control systems. If someone didn't notice this at all, its either never happened, or something is seriously wrong with the whole system (humans and automatic systems alike).

When people were hacking into traffic systems in the past just to see if they could, they were not doing it to do harm. Just the challenge. And this could be just the same case. Potential bad idea and actual something bad happens can be very distant.
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post #25 of 85
In two minds, yes it was a completely stupid act and unjustifiable, but on the flip side when turning to United Airlines - over to you.
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Feds trying to lock him down like he's some sort of turrist. Because you know... Murca

The researcher allegedly passed low-level commands directly to one of the engines of the plane... This could have EASILY resulted in the deaths of everyone on-board. This guy should be charged with, at the very least, a single count of Reckless Endangerment for each and every passenger whose life he put in danger. Try putting yourself in the situation of being on that plane and finding this out afterwards, that your life and the lives of everyone else on that plane were in the hands of someone completely ignorant to flying an aircraft.
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and then used default IDs and passwords to gain access to the inflight entertainment system.
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Why are so many companies so incompetent with security.

I bet it was admin:admin
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Think about it this way. Just informing the public and companies about this issue is great and all, but lets be honest, do you really think the companies would have taken the initiative to get this issue resolved? They'd probably change the password and call it a day.

If you give a demonstration to prove what could happen, then you force a greater reaction from the public and then its up to the company to either fix it, or be slapped with some sort of consequence and a name that could never come back from it.

(There are many different ways I could have worded this, but unfortunately I'm at work and don't have the time.)
     
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post #29 of 85
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Originally Posted by Pip Boy View Post

Agree.

sure its good to find these security holes and highlight them, but when highliting something you use a pen, not a flame thrower.

unless the article is click baiting, then id say what he did requires some jail time, he potencially endangered many lives.

So eager to send people to jail. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

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This also happened in the U.S. so there was actually no legal way to find this issue. There are no such things as a public inquiry which can trigger a mandatory investigative commission (this is a thing in Canada, for example, but has been getting cut shorter in the recent years). So… once this dude received a negative answer from some corporations, this was pretty much the best case scenario.
The only two outcomes after that were: 1) some dude(gal) tries to hack it illegally, gets it, and reports it to authorities; 2) some dude(gal) hacks it and crashes the plane in the new WTC (Pentagon/White House/CIA headquarters/UN headquarters/take a pick).

That said, there is no surprise that this dude is getting repercussions, since he DID break the law. It's the same with murder, for example. You can commit murder, then turn yourself in, and you still get a sentence. This is not murder, so you're not doing twenty-five to life, but is a serious crime nevertheless, and putting people in danger without their consent… He could at least conspire with passengers. For a well-networked dude, I don't think it's entirely impossible to get a team large enough to buy out all seats on a small plane, and you could turn it into a hackathon (before the 50­—200 of you get jail time). Thing is you knew the law, you knew you were breaking it, and you intended to turn yourself in. Which part of the result is surprising or unintended? This is still the law. You did a good thing illegally, you deserve your sentence the same as the plane manufacturers deserve the bad publicity which pretty much will be an ever growing weight on their shoulders.

He broke the law to improve seccurity on airplanes. If anything, we need more people like him, not send him to jail.


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Yea, in the real world all that stuff in the movies would most likely land the hero in jail.

Common sense says, If you somehow alter a planes controls, you're going to get in trouble.

Altering a planes flight endangered the lives of everyone on the plane, and anyone on the ground that the plane could landed on had things gone wrong.

He took the "bad idea" route.

The took the "only possible" route. And he should not be punished for it.
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He broke the law to improve seccurity on airplanes. If anything, we need more people like him, not send him to jail.

It is possible to simulate the entire thing and that is what he did. I assume this tweet and the annoyance of missing the flight was the real point so there would be more media coverage.

edit: It sounds like it backfired. The article does make it sound like he once said to the FBI he messed with the controls of a plane while flying but that was long before he was arrested and they didn't bother him then? We still don't know exactly what he did.
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The researcher allegedly passed low-level commands directly to one of the engines of the plane... This could have EASILY resulted in the deaths of everyone on-board. This guy should be charged with, at the very least, a single count of Reckless Endangerment for each and every passenger whose life he put in danger. Try putting yourself in the situation of being on that plane and finding this out afterwards, that your life and the lives of everyone else on that plane were in the hands of someone completely ignorant to flying an aircraft.

It would have been wrong to test it on a commercial airline (I fly a lot too) but at least he would be risking his own life too. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Maelthras View Post

This is just a click bait article, he tweeted before the flight that the system was weak to attack and was not allowed on. The supposed control of a plane was a simulation and not real, it was a computer simulation. So this website is just click baiting misinformation and fear mongering to get people to fear flying and read their poorly made article about false events.

People seem to have missed this. smile.gif

Also it seems like United and other airlines would have a vested interest in shutting him up. Why they don't simply fix the issue I have no idea, it cannot be that expensive compared to an incident or even bad headlines?
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