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The only point I am trying to make is that exploring security vulnerabilities should not leave lives hanging in the balance. Seeing as most, if not all, major airliners are completely fly-by-wire, I see hacking into any system of an airliner in-flight as exceedingly dangerous to all on board.
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The only point I am trying to make is that exploring security vulnerabilities should not leave lives hanging in the balance. Seeing as most, if not all, major airliners are completely fly-by-wire, I see hacking into any system of an airliner in-flight as exceedingly dangerous to all on board.

I agree. The methodology was beyond reckless. I'm sure Mr. Roberts had good intentions, but potentially crashing a plane is not the best way he could have proved this. At least we can take solace in that it wasn't done by someone with malicious intent and that no one was harmed in the process. Now we need to move forward, and ensure that the networks on a plane can't be accessed and bridged like he had done.
   
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I agree. Unfortunately, many companies have to have their noses rubbed in their own caca publicly before changes are addressed.
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I agree. Unfortunately, many companies have to have their noses rubbed in their own caca publicly before changes are addressed.

That's what I was getting at. They won't spend the money it takes to hire some pen testers for this kind of thing before it happens. Despite that a single avoided crash would pay for those pen testers a thousand times over.
   
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I doubt if he had not done that and just say "oh hey, found an exploit" no airline would care to make it even a priority to fix. if they even have yet...
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I doubt if he had not done that and just say "oh hey, found an exploit" no airline would care to make it even a priority to fix. if they even have yet...

My point exactly. Why is he an EX-security researcher who knows about an exploit that hasn't been fixed? Whoever his employer was needs to be answering a lot of questions right now. Had this guy been truly disgruntled he could have sold this information to someone who really intended to do serious harm with it, and this story would have an entirely different headline.

Why was nobody listening to this guy to the point that he had to do something this dramatic to get everyone's attention?
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Think about it this way. Just informing the public and companies about this issue is great and all, but lets be honest, do you really think the companies would have taken the initiative to get this issue resolved? They'd probably change the password and call it a day.

If you give a demonstration to prove what could happen, then you force a greater reaction from the public and then its up to the company to either fix it, or be slapped with some sort of consequence and a name that could never come back from it.

(There are many different ways I could have worded this, but unfortunately I'm at work and don't have the time.)

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Just putting it out there, but I don't even think this is possible... As I said in the last article about this, the flight control systems aren't connected to the IFE... So, unless he drilled a hole through the floor, spliced his magic USB interface that works with everything into the individual wires controlling the respective systems then bashed his hand on the keyboard, you can't control a plane. Now, that's assuming it was an Airbus (which uses Fly-by-Wire), but if it was a 737 or similar craft (non fly-by-wire), then the only thing he could control by doing that is to move the throttle levers as that is the only fly-by-wire component on the entire aircraft.

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Sadly These airlines probably have no plan to fix such holes, until a actual plane crash in this manor forces them to do so. Just like pretty much every flaw before hand.

I think this guy just did the world a huge favor
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Remember that legality and ethics/morality are entirely different, which is why the former is usually in conflict with thellatter.

"He broke the law /thread" is not much for the makings of a debate because it is a statement that has no inherent meaning...

Personally, I thought the whole "polar opposite of malevolent" that frames this guy's actions are something that we should celebrate rather than punish (we know better than to show impressionable children that you should even bother tryingto be ddecent person! /s)...
   
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Just going to leave a thought here.......

Now that this has become so public, and essentially confirmed as completely doable; how many individual/groups are actively working to duplicate it for wrong doing?
    
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Just going to leave a thought here.......

Now that this has become so public, and essentially confirmed as completely doable; how many individual/groups are actively working to duplicate it for wrong doing?

I don't know, but the airlines better fix it quick or they/re going down with the guy when he tells everybody on the stand how he warned the airlines that it was possible and they ignored him.
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