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The torture scene in GTA V gave me a bit bad taste in the mouth.

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The torture scene in GTA V gave me a bit bad taste in the mouth.

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I also hate that you can run over people in that game. Seems so irresponsible. In carmageddon, that was the parody. This just doesn't care. So disconnected with the fact. Maybe I'm overly sensitive.
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Yeah cause only the CIA does it... Torture has been used for thousands of years. If it didn't work, people would not continue to do so.

Well, first at all no one is saying that torture is only bad, because CIA do it. Torture is bad principially, regardless who do it.

Second - it is troublesome that you are trying to justify torture as it "brings results", when the exact oposite was proven. If you like to inflict pain and suffering, then you need to see your psychiatrist more often.

Trying to justify something so horribly immoral as torture by statement, that it is going on "for thousands of years" is pathetic argument at best. That is because for thousands of years people do crazy and selfdestructing things, such as:
- wars
- religions (including the religion of state: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dNDRx24odOs )
- obedience to self-proclaimed autorities

So it actually make sense that they commit torture as well.

And since we know, that turture is not about extracting valuable informations, but just to scaring others and projecting own will by inflicting pain to other beings, it is commited by psychopats that should be jailed for life of shoot on the spot.
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Well To be fair, now you can pump someone full of drugs and get information out of them too

Good call. Go tell the CIA, since they obviously prefer the torture, mostly to the point of losing consciousness. Surelly a good way to extract info, don't you agree?
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While I'm not stating my stance on these things. It does happen and can be effective. But not everyone shares the same opinion.

I think your stance is pretty clear. You are for torture.
And despite proven ineffectivity, you claim that it is effective. You are believing in Santa Claus too? Or Muhammad or some other diety?

I'm glad you noticed that not all people can defent the moraly indefensible. But unless you come with arguments and sources that validate your "effective" claim about torture and disprove the sources above posted by me, then I did not undestand how can you with straight face still claim that torture is effective.

Still, it is deeply immoral and troubling, that we even have people that did not see torture as at least moreally questionable.
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Torture in video games doesn't really matter unless you don't know the difference between video games and real life.

If you don't know the difference between video games and real life, you probably shouldn't play them. Or you will end up as being one of those guys who shoots up a school or something.
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Torture is a necessary evil. It can be a vary effective means of collecting data.

Actually it isn't. Not saying it doesn't work, but the most successful "torturer" was a Nazi who treated prisoners as friends, taking them out for dinners and doing activities such as nature walks.

He got far more information out of the people he was interrogating than tortures got out people.

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DzillaXx -
Well, first at all no one is saying that torture is only bad, because CIA do it. Torture is bad principially, regardless who do it.

Second - it is troublesome that you are trying to justify torture as it "brings results", when the exact oposite was proven. If you like to inflict pain and suffering, then you need to see your psychiatrist more often.

Trying to justify something so horribly immoral as torture by statement, that it is going on "for thousands of years" is pathetic argument at best. That is because for thousands of years people do crazy and selfdestructing things, such as:
- wars
- religions (including the religion of state: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dNDRx24odOs )
- obedience to self-proclaimed autorities

So it actually make sense that they commit torture as well.

And since we know, that turture is not about extracting valuable informations, but just to scaring others and projecting own will by inflicting pain to other beings, it is commited by psychopats that should be jailed for life of shoot on the spot.
Good call. Go tell the CIA, since they obviously prefer the torture, mostly to the point of losing consciousness. Surelly a good way to extract info, don't you agree?
I think your stance is pretty clear. You are for torture.
And despite proven ineffectivity, you claim that it is effective. You are believing in Santa Claus too? Or Muhammad or some other diety?

I'm glad you noticed that not all people can defent the moraly indefensible. But unless you come with arguments and sources that validate your "effective" claim about torture and disprove the sources above posted by me, then I did not undestand how can you with straight face still claim that torture is effective.

Still, it is deeply immoral and troubling, that we even have people that did not see torture as at least moreally questionable.


Did you just bring Religion into a topic that has nothing to do with religion.... (Your Fedora is showing)

Morality is nothing more than a human construct, like like religion and pretty much everything we have yet to truly understand. Keeping Chickens in a box where they never move, forced to lay eggs day in and day out, can be considered immoral. But I love eggs, and I love eating chicken. I would not stop doing so because I feel sorry for their condition, they are nothing more than a resource in my eyes. Same goes for cattle and pigs, I love me some pork and a good steak. My Grill is used nearly every other day. And TBH those animals have more right to live than some humans I know.


Hell I've even bow hunted a deer before, allowed me to fill my freezer full of deer meat. Was I wrong to do so? Of course not.


Are you telling me human life is special in some way? Because it is not. I would agree that Torture can be a ineffective means, but if you are telling me that useful data hasn't been collected doing so over the last thousands of years. Then you are dead wrong. Are there better was to do it? Yes. But the Act of Torture can vary by method, mentally or physically. If you think waterboarding and other extreme measures are the only means of torture than you are dead wrong. Nearly every boy had tortured their brother at some point, I know I have. Putting someones arm behind their back and pulling up would be considered torture.


Also you may want to google Opinion, as you seem to not know the meaning of it. wink.gif


What you don't get is some of those people have no right to live. And giving them a quick death would be showing mercy. Which is why I'm against things like the death penitently. I would rather see them kept in isolation till they die. A much more deserving crime for their punishments.


Now excuse me while I eat some veal. tongue.gif
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DzillaXx Still, it is deeply immoral and troubling, that we even have people that did not see torture as at least moreally questionable.

Yet every game is full of morally questionable scenarios.

How come the OP or anyone else in the thread doesn't mention them?

In payday for example you shoot innocent security guards and civilians on your way to stealing loot.

Those security guards and civs are just going about their daily business and could have families, oh wait....they're software.

How is that any better than torturing a person in a game really, as people have said as long as you know the difference between reality and a fantasy world I think it's ok.

It's like a book, or a movie with such acts in them. If people can't handle gruesome realities then don't associate with them.

I'm not for torture, but I'm also not for living in a bubble and pretending such things don't happen.
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Last time I asked about swearing in GTA V I got crucified for even daring to think that S N F N H N F S N S F H N wasn't sensible vocabulary or excellent language. Asking moral or ethical questions is wasted on these forums as the majority don't understand conditioning and that having people call each other N and having every other word being a swear word is destruction of language, and thus culture.

Do games absolutely need to be like this? No, games in the past were not like this and they were still fun to play. For example, why do you need to torture someone in GTA V? Does it add to the game? No it doesn't but it is there nonetheless to condition people into accepting torture as normal.
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video games reflect real life.

swearing, killing, and torture were around THOUSANDS of years before video games.
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For example, why do you need to torture someone in GTA V? Does it add to the game? No it doesn't but it is there nonetheless to condition people into accepting torture as normal.

The GTA series has always been offensive in many ways.

Maybe it does add to the game, because it adds to how ruthless the world of GTA is. It sets the scene, like a killing does in a thriller or murder mystery.

We've been conditioned with media and video games ever since they existed.

Games like GTAV shouldn't be sold to children though.
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