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I missed the part where developement was something to think about.


Get the FX6300.

For all the guys who say intel is the only way to go, quit relying on internet-sourced benchmarks.

If you lined up every single processor made in the last 4 years, just about ALL of them will perform similar in day to day activities, granted they must be quadcore AMD's or at least dualcore intels with hyperthreading.

I am so sick of the ZOMG intel>amd followers. I have been trucking along quite fine doing whatever I want on ym system, and I have less than $500 into the entire setup, PSU and all. GOt my FX4300 for $50 off ebay. guy bought a gaming computer off the shelf, ditched the quad rightaway for an 8350, and popped it on ebay.


Look around for hardware deals. I bet I could piece together an 8350 based build with a 760 or 7770 for graphics and at least 8 gigs of ram, for under $700 total
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Dragon Age Inquisition was loading 7 or 8 cores on my PC. But i was GPU bound so maybe it was trying to compensate.

These benchmarks show a 3470 beating the 8350 in frame rates on dragon age inquisition.

http://www.techspot.com/review/921-dragon-age-inquisition-benchmarks/page6.html

Just how meaningful is a benchmark that is ran at settings no one actually uses? Cmon now, are you really going to run a GTX 980 at 1024x768?

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you dont need a darn 8 core to have fun

this FX4300 absolutely destroys my old 1035T 6 core. I have right around 30% more PPD on folding@home, and Im 4cores versus the old 6cores


Funny because all benchmarks that ever existed show the PII X6 on par with 83xx chips in both single thread and multi-thread when clocked appropriately.

6 true cores vs 2 modules. There is no way the 2 module part would be better in anything unless it had a severe clock advantage.

In my opinion seeing someone talk about AMD processors that doesn't actually own one is like listening to a virgin talk about sex.

I own or have owned 2500k , 2600k, 3770k and 4790K intel's. I own X 4 deneb, propus richland and kabini quad cores, multiple X6 thuban and zosma's and currently own 6 vishera 8 cores. The 8320 offers an outstanding value as an all around performer.
The advantage that the intel chips can express through higher fps in games almost always is at a level that is beyond our ability to even recognize.
The 8 core Vishera's are lightning quick in the desktop environment, better than any Intel chip or previous AMD chip that I have - , even cpu's costing almost 3x the price.
That difference is something that is clear every time I jump back and forth between them.
The only game that I haven't been able to run at 60 FPS + average with the Vishera is ARMA 3 when it was in beta stage. Haven't revisited it since it came out however.
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Just how meaningful is a benchmark that is ran at settings no one actually uses? Cmon now, are you really going to run a GTX 980 at 1024x768?
In my opinion seeing someone talk about AMD processors that doesn't actually own one is like listening to a virgin talk about sex.

Yep i didn't even notice that res, just posted the first dragon age cpu benchmark I saw, there's 1080p below that.

That post was actually to prove that you don't need 8 cores to run dragon age smoothly.............which is correct.

lol yeah AMD being bad gets exaggerated for sure, however in my experience AMD really struggled in some titles.

That saying I haven't had one for a while (last one was a 1055T OC'd to 4ghz)

As you said games like arma are far better on intel, and that game was actually the reason I upgraded to begin with.

In the future games shouldn't be as reliant on high ipc and more on shared loads on the cores.

The argument still stands though that you need a good motherboard and cooling to overclock the FX series, and you get the higher power consumption...yady yada.

There's pros and cons for sure and people need to weigh these up for their individual needs.
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So a 8+2 phase board would do fine for overclocking? Also, the 8320E is still set on my mind. I also see that some of you are comparing i3's and fx 6XXX for some reason. Also, does an OC'd FX bottleneck an SLI setup?
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It is actually cheaper

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.93 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.98 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $279.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-18 00:26 EDT-0400


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($218.50 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($50.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $269.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-18 00:28 EDT-0400


Could get a better mobo on the i5, but not necessary. Even if you upgraded to H97 the prices would still be very close and not cheap enough to make the FX a better option for gaming.

Did you purposely try to make it seem more expensive?
FX-8320E $136
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113376&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Total = $251 without Mail in Rebate.
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So a 8+2 phase board would do fine for overclocking? Also, the 8320E is still set on my mind. I also see that some of you are comparing i3's and fx 6XXX for some reason. Also, does an OC'd FX bottleneck an SLI setup?

Bottleneck is such a weird term, let me try to explain. I'm running an 8320 @ 4.61GHz and SLI 970s.

Lets take a hypothetical game and call it game 1 for example and say that my cpu maxes out at 75fps, and an intel CPU runs it at a max of 100fps regardless of graphical settings. Also in game 1 my gpu's have a potential max fps of 200, but only at low settings. So if your running low settings, or lower resolution then yes your gpu's are bottlenecked by the cpu.

However if we turn those settings up, the strain on the cpu will remain the same, while the strain on the gpu's increase.


A perfect example of this is when I run Farcry 4 at 4k on max settings, I get 35-50fps and both my gpu's loads are at 100%, so my cpu IS NOT bottlenecking the gpu's. However if i turn the settings down to 1080p, I get 75fps and my gpu loads are not at 100%, so at lower settings there is a cpu bottleneck. It's all game dependent and you can usually eliminate CPU bottlenecks by increasing the load on the gpu's.
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Just wait for Skylake FX 8000's CPU's are power hungry- heat generating-low single threaded performance CPU's for 100 or so more $ I could have gotten a 4670k, and I definately regret not having done so, trust me, my main drawback was that the good mobo's for intel seemed to average 200's, altought the Asus z97-A looked decent for 150..

In some games you will be really disapointed, arma 3 for exemple and I have drops to 20's fps in GTA V aswell.. some other games like BF4 runs perfectly as they are optimized for 8 threads..

Skylake mate.

Look how pitiful the FX 8350@4.7 looks : http://pclab.pl/art57777-24.html even paired with a r9 290x, that's my build right there.. down at the bottom.

I bought an Asus z87-A board for $59 after MIR and a 4690k for $200 and clocked to 4.8 (got lucky on chip). Patience can pay off when the right deal comes along on price. I've also seen 8350 deals for $167, Mobo and proc.
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Yeah in fact there was a 25$ board after MIR at frys over the weekend for z87

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Its funny the Intel hive with no experience with AMD come and call them trash. Me and cssorkinman both have high end Intel and amd builds. We both say amd is a good chip and good bargain and perform on par.

My 8350+280x performs better than my i5 4670k+ 290 in most uses. I still stand on my premise that i7 > fx8 >= i5

The fact that fx8 + MB can be had new for $175 frequently which is the cost of a locked i5 alone only reinforces this. Also I did first hand benches with many games at exact settings and the fx8 easily key up with the much more expensive i5 in games
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Will upgrading from Core 2 Quad Q9550 to FX 8350 be a noticeable performance jump in games, applications and web browsing. With the AMD build, I'm upgrading to DDR3 2400MHz from 1333MHz (2 * 4 GB). The motherboard will be Asrock Fatality 990FX Killer. Also, is it worth it to go from my current setup to the FX 8350? I am not on a budget, I just like getting my money worth. biggrin.gif

Thanks.


This is the problem i'm having at the moment. My workhorse c2q9650 is showing it's age more and more every day even though it's above the 4.0Ghz mark.

I was caught between the FX8320 or the i5 4670k, and slap another 7950 video card and run cross fire.thumb.gifthumb.gif
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