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This should give some insight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc
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Then speak with your wallets. Take your money elsewhere for the next gen or two. If you have so much faith in your god given I7, then it will have enough power to keep your main rig running while you help contribute to AMD's R&D fund for those two gens. I mean honestly. Stop complaining and make a difference. Boycott Intel. Show them you want more than a 5% boost every gen.

The problem is, many are wise enough to know that if every hardcore enthusiast sold their intel rig and bought AMD it would make a whopping .1% change of the overall market share of Intel and AMD. I've spent plenty on AMD hardware, and all I've gotten in return is less performance. I will not punish myself to support a company who has made poor choices over the past few years on the CPU front. I still stick with AMD over Nvidia on the GPU side as they fit my needs better.

On the other hand, I just bought a AMD based A8-6410 laptop because it fit my needs for the use of my laptop. I by all means have not 'banned' AMD cpu's from my future, but I refuse to spend money on an inferior product these days. Sometimes you have to do what is best for you, and supporting the underdog that doesn't help itself is certainly not in my best interest.

Please fix that post, I believe you quoted another user, not me.
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post #223 of 265
Which is why Zen will have massive IPC improvements, along with gutting all the pointless extensions that they developed for bulldozer.

When it comes to games, even a Intel 6 core isn't any better than a equally clocked i7 4 core for most games. And it is no different for the FX chips, when for many games a FX6300 and a FX8320 at the same clock speed result in around the same gaming performance.

Now the AMD chips really are not that bad, 10-20fps really doesn't make a big difference when you are pushing 60+ fps already. But they have been known to have poor min frame rates, and simply can not handle high end CF setups. Some games the AMD chip matches the i5's anyways. Others it is massively behind.


Still doesn't change the fact that the AMD Piledriver chips are nearly 3 years old now. The AM3+ tech is still more comparable to the 1366 platform than it is any newer version of Intel's platforms. And a i7 970 @ 4.2ghz will still beat out a FX8350 @ 5ghz in pretty much every task. That data is pure fact.


I've owned plenty of AMD chips, Athlon XP - Phenom II were AMD's glory days.


So For a gaming rig, you would be wasting money on a AMD setup. If it is for productivity and other tasks, AMD systems work pretty well. A AMD system can be cheaper, but not like a i5 system is that expensive and out of his budget.


Don't be calling people trolls, as some of us are die hard AMD fans. I even waited for bulldozer, but was really disappointed when it came out. I find it sad that AMD still doesn't have a chip that can beat my aging 2600K @ 4.8ghz yet. I will be waiting for Zen, and I do hope it works out. But until then, I wouldn't waste my money on a FX chip these days. Not for a chip that has already been on the market for nearly 3 years. AMD APU's in a HTPC though are awesome, if only they would give us something like the NUC.


The FX chips are no better than the Pentium 4. Weak IPC. Just the FX chips have more multithreading power than the Pentium 4's ever did. Which continues to make the pentium 4 the worst CPU series in history. Followed by the Bulldozer family.


Zen is the AMD chip you should be waiting for.

I could care less about all the bad things Intel has done to AMD. I go for performance. Which is why I would also own a Nvidia card if the price was right. I would also buy Sony if the price and quality was right (but knowing sony, quality isn't their thing). Fanboyism is a joke.
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You make some valid points, but have you ever owned or used a well tuned 8 core Vishera?

Owning one does not change the facts. Have you ever owned or used a well tuned i7-920?

It'd be the same thing.
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You make some valid points, but have you ever owned or used a well tuned 8 core Vishera?

Owning one does not change the facts. Have you ever owned or used a well tuned i7-920?

It'd be the same thing.

You are precluding the possibility that he would , in fact, prefer the Vishera over the 2600k given the chance to use it for a while. I certainly do.
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You are precluding the possibility that he would , in fact, prefer the Vishera over the 2600k given the chance to use it for a while. I certainly do.

Have you noticed you are basing your argument more on preference than on fact?

There is nothing wrong with you preferring to use your Vishera over the 2600K, but it is not the better CPU(assuming they are both overclocked).
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You make some valid points, but have you ever owned or used a well tuned 8 core Vishera?

I've used a well tuned 6 core FX 6300 @ 4.6ghz. Built it for a good friend, performs better than the i3 3220 my bro has.


And i've seen plenty of benchmarks.

Tuned or not, the chips still have their draw backs. It is by design.


Zen will improve IPC along with a much needed beefier FPU. AMD even knows there are many design flaws with the current FX series.

A SMT/CMT hybrid will allow the cores to be feed properly, as even with Intel chips. HT can make a big different when it comes to how well a core can be utilized.


We are still talking about a chip that has plenty of flaws that just doesn't make it a prime chip for gaming. NOTE I SAID GAMING PEOPLE, so don't start posting Cinebench or Passmark benchmarks to prove me wrong.

Sad thing is I would have owned a Phenom II over my q9550 if it released on time. But it didn't. I also would be using a FX chip over my 2600k if they performed, but they didn't.

I overclock, and while AMD can put up a fight against locked Intel chips. AMD doesn't stand a chance against unlocked Intel chips. But considering we are talking about lucked i5's here, the AMD chip isn't too far behind. Though there are games that it is massively behind, and min frame rates and be a problem.


If the OP wants to buy AMD, go ahead. But people shouldn't start acting like the FX chips are going to be the better gaming chips. As they are not. Keyword "Gaming"


i just feel AMD has made too many poor judgement calls over the last few years. Their CPU division has even started to effect their GPU division, buy taking money away from it. Honestly I find that sad, as AMD still makes some of the best video cards known to man. MisManagement has done more harm to AMD than Intel ever did. Keller's Zen will probably help repair their damaged name, but will take some time.
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You are precluding the possibility that he would , in fact, prefer the Vishera over the 2600k given the chance to use it for a while. I certainly do.


My 2600K is vary well tuned. Not even the best tuned Vishera would touch it.
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You are precluding the possibility that he would , in fact, prefer the Vishera over the 2600k given the chance to use it for a while. I certainly do.

Have you noticed you are basing your argument more on preference than on fact?

There is nothing wrong with you preferring to use your Vishera over the 2600K, but it is not the better CPU(assuming they are both overclocked).

A preference based on superior performance in the desktop environment. Something that people who haven't had the same opportunity as I have to experience seldom understand.
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Oh man, I need some popcorn!

This is some serious rivalry action.
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LG 55UB8500 55" 4K 3D TV Logitech MK350 Rosewill HIVE 850 NZXT S340 
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Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
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AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
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ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
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46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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FX-9590 @ 5GHz Asus 990FX Sabertooth Rev 2.0 MSI Gaming 390X G. Skill Trident X 4x4GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 3  LEPA 240AC Windows 10 x64 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 55UB8500 55" 4K 3D TV Logitech MK350 Rosewill HIVE 850 NZXT S340 
MouseMouse PadOther
Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
MonitorPowerCase
46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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