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Hairworks Versus Tressfx. One works on both vendor cards and allows the entire gaming community to enjoy and appreciate new technology.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/367qav/mark_my_word_if_we_dont_stop_the_nvidia_gameworks/
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Both vendors are at fault if they are not working together.

Imagine the possibilities of both nVidia and AMD working together...

See it was true all along.

PC is going to become like console, games for amd and games for nvidia
Edited by MerkageTurk - 5/17/15 at 11:07am
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The fact that some people can and do immediately make the logical jump from "some graphics options which only work on one brand of GPU" to "this could mean we will someday have entire games which only work on one brand of GPU" alarms me. That's not a valid form of argument at all. And Nvidia's proprietary tech is never going to dominate the market... all it takes is one look at GPU accelerated PhysX to know that's the case. If those graphics settings are important to you, then you should buy Nvidia GPUs and it's been that way for years now.

Some folks on this forum just like being continually in the mindset of "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!"
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What a farce, if you have an AMD card just turn HairWorks off, problem solved.

No AMD or Nvidia shouldn't have to cater to each other. Compete, get better and then the community will benefit.

Locking out the competition creates a whack-a-mole situation where speed/progression is no longer the priority but keeping your opponent suppressed is. There becomes less of a need to enhance an architecture or redesign it if you can stifle the others ability to use what it has fully. An extreme result would end in owning both brands, not sure that benefits the community or anyone's wallet.

Keep the API's open and universal and then you compete over raw speed; it may result in it's own problems but far less than anything with a locked down and proprietary nature when it comes to the user (or even the companies in the long term).
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Originally Posted by Titanox View Post

Hairworks Versus Tressfx. One works on both vendor cards and allows the entire gaming community to enjoy and appreciate new technology.

One has to be pretty much developed by developers themselves because AMD doesn't have the money or the manpower to actually support "their" technology.

That was Huddy's idea for a gameworks competitor too. Just create a PR name and let games developers submit their own implementations under that. As if that's actually going to compete against something that's ready made and fully supported.

This is based on utter and complete misinformation. pCARS does NOT use GPU PhysX on Nvidia cards at all.

It's all CPU PhysX for everyone. The reason AMD gets a boost on win10 is because their win7/8 DX11 CPU overhead is absolutely terrible compared to Nvidia's.
 
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Why isn't AMD "under attack" for not providing an alternative to HairWorks? These sort of libraries are great, they save a lot of dev time.

The issue here is not Nvidia's software, but rather AMD not doing anything on the software side. Trying to blame Nvidia for not optimizing their software for competitor's hardware is laughable.
post #19 of 480
This is a good example. Someone actually benchmarked hair performance in a hairworks game:
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

if you can take a look at far cry 4 benchmarks for the hairworks (fur) setting, you'll see that both nvidia/AMD take a pretty similar hit to performance.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/12/far_cry_4_graphics_features_performance_review/5



128.6 with fur Off
119.4 with fur On

7.7% higher perf with fur off



138.4 with fur Off
128.4 with fur On

7.8% higher perf with fur off

So enabling Hairworks in far cry 4 cost 0.1% more performance for AMD than it did for NV.

That's the greatest threat to gaming today?
 
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“Many of you have asked us if AMD Radeon GPUs would be able to run NVIDIA’s HairWorks technology – the answer is yes! However, unsatisfactory performance may be experienced as the code of this feature cannot be optimized for AMD products. Radeon users are encouraged to disable NVIDIA HairWorks if the performance is below expectations.”


I have no problem with the concept of Gameworks. I just have a problem with the fact that 80+ percent of the games that uses it wrecks/breaks AMD cards (features on or off). I swear it seems like a black box that NUKES the competitors card when the game is launched.
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