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What do you have to blame AMD for FreeSync? Newer monitors are working quite as they should and you get what you pay for either way. I agree the performance and the software implementations should be distinguished from each other. It makes any choice inexistent, this way.

FreeSync is a form of AdaptiveSync frontend. AdaptiveSync is not AMD's or NVidia's technology, FreeSync is AMD's driver end software compatible with AdaptiveSync monitors.

So if someone has a poor performing AdaptiveSync monitor it's more than likely an issue with the Monitor not AMD's software. FreeSync compatible is how you know if it's going to work or not.
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lol, apparently Nvidia have a different concept of what free means. They are so brazenly misleading all the time it's just hilarious.

That's pretty textbook for any licensing agreement.
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lol, apparently Nvidia have a different concept of what free means. They are so brazenly misleading all the time it's just hilarious.

I think you might be nitpicking Legal Speak.

Nvidia has been very clear that once you license their code, you are free to do what you need in your games with it. However, you simply can't re-distribute it, in any form, without Nvidia's permission. This is mainly done to help keep it away from competitors. Without that there is nothing stopping AMD from getting some 3rd party developer to hand it over.

This isn't Nvidia saying "You can use our stuff, but can't alter or use our stuff.".

God I hate Legal Speak, no wonder attorneys are so damn expensive! They have to make things so complicated. Then again most every sort of NDA or contract at that level reads like this.

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Oh, and for the record; they both are going to be as shifty and shady as they can get away with. We are unfortunately left with the decision of "What works best?" and who was the least "Shady" of them.

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You know, after Pcars, and soon to see witcher III, i was fearing i wouldnt be able to enjoy these games as i should (with my R9 280 ive been playing most -if not all- games decently so far).
After Pcars i thought i should sell it and go to the green side.
But i just cant support nvidia anymore. It just feels wrong to me.
Ill just wait and get the new AMD series that suits better my poket.
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OK, thanks for the source. Though, it does raise more questions than it answers.
* Why doesn't PhysX offload to Nvidia GPUs? I mean, shouldn't it? PhysX GPU offloading is a core NV feature. Is it because PhysX GPU offloading is only allowed for cosmetic / extra features, and Pcars PhysX is intrinsic to the game?

 

The Physx engine only offloads to the GPU when it is given a workload that runs better in a massively parallel environment. Most of the time, it runs on the CPU and it does so transparently, in fact. Something like Waterworks requires a GPU, while something like rigid body simulation is done on the CPU, because it doesn't need to be massively parallel in order to get the work done quickly. 

 

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lol, apparently Nvidia have a different concept of what free means. They are so brazenly misleading all the time it's just hilarious.

 

Well, you're not paying for access to the source, so it is free in that respect. They never said it was open-source. You can inspect the source code and you can inject in your own optimisations into the source for your project, but you can't redistribute that altered code to other developers, you can only send it upstream to Nvidia. 


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lol the irony, blaming AMD for Freesync, an open standard. Blame them for making it a standard. Do you blame them for GDDR memory too? What about for HBM? They're both free standards too.
I get his sentiments, though. It is like a thriller with unending tension and plot twists. People get tired after a while. BenQ XL2730Z is quite 'the' monitor in my regard, but it has the FreeSync-OD issue, so I cannot blame him for voicing it out for me as well.
Let's see whether the open nature eases the transition, or not. It definitely delivers a superior tool set when common interest groups with the best practices get their implementations favoured, such as the Blurbusters utilities. I mean what are the chances? - it is liable for a fix after all.
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So the real issue here is you have a well known tech site doing an article on some random forum comments and a quote by a random game dev,stating AMD's GPU's can't be optimized for HairWorks,which is clearly a lie.






source : http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/12/far_cry_4_graphics_features_performance_review/5#.VVoRKPlVg7I

Nothing but click-bait here.
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So wait-- the only proof anyone has that PhysX runs on CPU for both vendors is anecdotal? By flipping on or off a setting in the NV control panel?

If PhysX runs on CPU for both vendors, why did Ian Bell say that the reason for AMD's performance deficit is because PhysX runs on the CPU for AMD cards?

I think he said the reason for the deficit was that AMD has crappy CPU overhead in their drivers, which was compounded by Physx running on the CPU. He didn't say it ran on the GPU on Nvidia. You can read that to mean it does run on the CPU on Nvidia (or that it doesn't), but that their lower driver overhead makes it less of an issue. But, yes, it really isn't clear from that second-hand quote.

But really, how much more proof is needed. Disable GPU Physx on an Nvidia card (by uninstalling the Physx software if need be) and compare to it enabled. If it is running Physx on the GPU it should be immediately, painfully, obvious.
Edited by Forceman - 5/18/15 at 9:35am
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After reading this, i"m never going to be buying nvidia cards ever again, and allready own a gsync monitor and i was planing on going titan x SLI.
What a bunch of (insert your favorite dirt word here) !
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Ugh! The Red team must be loving this propaganda. LoL
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