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No, but your ISP does charge you for access to their interstate communications network. That's commerce, and it's fundamentally interstate in nature.

Communication != Commerce

We are communicating now, but there is no commerce going on.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Communication != Commerce

We are communicating now, but there is no commerce going on.

Sure there is. You paid for your internet access, I paid for mine. The commerce doesn't have to be between us, it's between you and the company that runs an interstate network.

If North Carolina wants to say the FCC doesn't get to regulate NCNet, a hypothetical internet-only-for-North-Carolina that does not communicate outside of the state, that would be covered under the 10th Amendment and they would be free to do so.

But yes, communication is commerce, when you're paying for that communication.
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As someone that lives in Raleigh, NC and also hates all levels of government and even the idea of the limited liability corporation, let me assure you that both sides in this debate are absolutely correct. The feds don't have the right and state is protecting large entrenched telecoms from the possibility of smaller competitors. Everyone seems to come at this as though there's a good guy and let me assure that there isn't one.

When the feds get their way then they are going to start forcing their own demands which will eventually include having ISPs spy on people, etc.
Edited by Jarhead - 5/21/15 at 5:49pm
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There is a good guy, the municipal governments trying to actually help their people.
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As someone that lives in Raleigh, NC and also hates all levels of government and even the idea of the limited liability corporation, let me assure you that both sides in this debate are absolutely correct. The feds don't have the right and state is protecting large entrenched telecoms from the possibility of smaller competitors. Everyone seems to come at this as though there's a good guy and let me assure that there isn't one.

When the feds get their way then they are going to start forcing their own demands which will eventually include having ISPs spy on people, etc.

^^^ This. At this point it becomes which is less evil. In my opinion it would be the state of NC because it doesn't want the Fed making choices for them. I'd rather my purchasing habits be tracked for google marketing than everything collated for some agency's super secret list.
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There is a good guy, the municipal governments trying to actually help their people.

Assuming they're doing whatever they're doing because they feel it is "right" and not for any monetary or other non-financial incentive.
    
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There is a good guy, the municipal governments trying to actually help their people.

Except that those are funded by taxing people that don't want the service, also known a stealing. And because of those deep pockets the municipal service can operate at an extreme loss and control infrastructure to insure no private competition, which will hold back technological progress. Like happens with railroads the whole world over. Any way you slice it there is no good solution here.
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Except that those are funded by taxing people that don't want the service, also known a stealing. And because of those deep pockets the municipal service can operate at an extreme loss and control infrastructure to insure no private competition, which will hold back technological progress. Like happens with railroads the whole world over. Any way you slice it there is no good solution here.

You are not personally entitled to pick and choose every little thing that your tax dollars are spent on. That is the price of living in a civilized society. If you don't like it, get off the rest of our infrastructure and go live on your own in the desert.
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When the feds get their way then they are going to start forcing their own demands which will eventually include having ISPs spy on people, etc.



I don't know what fantasy land you've lived in the past 30 years but they've been doing that pretty much since the internet went public.
 
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It takes some work to make Texas look technologically progressive but we sure appreciate your support NC!

Thanks for making me look like an fool infront of my co worker, read you comment and spat out my coffee from laughing. biggrin.gif
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I see NC is trying to be as dumb as TN is nowadays mad.gif

What is Tennessee doing? I know I am limited to only comcast in my apartment, but I thought other parts of Chattanooga had it pretty good. We are after all, "gig-city". First in the US with gigabit I believe.
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