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It's a lot easier to use an existing API (like Physx or Havoc) than to roll your own though.

Not arguing that. smile.gif
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post #22 of 38
They are trying to wash their hands of this mess. Note how they deliberately avoid answering why AMD performs vastly worse in the game, while in most other games AMD and Nvidia trade blows. Look at these benchmarks and tell me there isnt something wrong. 290x losing to a 760...

Also look closely at how they worded this bullet point
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NVidia are not "sponsors" of the project. The company has not received, and would not expect, financial assistance from third party hardware companies.

They only dismiss that Nvidia didnt hand them money as a good gesture, they didnt say Nvidia didnt help in other ways or didnt pay for optimizations and having their name on every wall in the game.

Say what you want, but there are issues that the developers are not addressing.
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They are trying to wash their hands of this mess. Note how they deliberately avoid answering why AMD performs vastly worse in the game, while in most other games AMD and Nvidia trade blows. Look at these benchmarks and tell me there isnt something wrong. 290x losing to a 760...

Also look closely at how they worded this bullet point
They only dismiss that Nvidia didnt hand them money as a good gesture, they didnt say Nvidia didnt help in other ways or didnt pay for optimizations and having their name on every wall in the game.

Say what you want, but there are issues that the developers are not addressing.

I believe we already have a pretty good answer to that. People are reporting substantial performance gains in Windows 10 and with hacked Win10 drivers running on Win7/8.1. That points to a driver issue, not a problem with the game.
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Man, I'm so tired of developer/internet drama.

I just want to play video games and have fun.

Screw this noise.

 

Same, I'm getting tired of all the noises lately after all the Ubisoft downgrade things. I guess we will have to live with it.

 
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I blame AMD's drivers for this one weather or not they took any money from Nvidia. The problem I see with the performance is mainly due to the fact the GPU usage never goes over 70% on my friend's rig with a 7950. Average GPU usage was between 40-55% during a race with any graphic settings. AMD had plenty of time to update their drivers to fix this during the game development but they didn't. About a week ago, AMD posted on twitter they are working to get the drivers updated so we will see real benchmark numbers when they release the fix.
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Game runs fine on my 7970 CF set up on windows 8.1 with 15.4 driver

Running it as it is get 99% usage on GPU1 and 5% usage on GPU2.
averaging around 80-90fps, 60fps with full rain on.
Raptor wouldn't ingame record tho.


Renaming it to BF3.exe I get 93% useage on GPU1 and 89% usage on GPU2 but there is a flicker in the menus,
averaging around 140-150fps, 90fps with full rain on.
Raptor ingame recording works flawless.
post #27 of 38
Every time I read anything related to a game here in OCN, I just want to puke. There is nothing, nothing, there but whining and conspiracy theories. I've always considered myself more of a gamer than a hardware enthusiast, but I think I have to think again. The hardware side of arguing I can tolerate, but I simply can not read anything game related anymore nor do I want to be associated with this group of spiteful, self-righteous infants.

Sorry about the rant, but I just lost it. Just now. Right here.
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post #28 of 38
To be honest, if a driver on AMD side fixes performance by that much it's proof that it's AMD and not Slightly Mad Studios the ones that have to make their move.
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Game runs fine on my 7970 CF set up on windows 8.1 with 15.4 driver

Running it as it is get 99% usage on GPU1 and 5% usage on GPU2.
averaging around 80-90fps, 60fps with full rain on.
Raptor wouldn't ingame record tho.


Renaming it to BF3.exe I get 93% useage on GPU1 and 89% usage on GPU2 but there is a flicker in the menus,
averaging around 140-150fps, 90fps with full rain on.
Raptor ingame recording works flawless.

Wow what a difference.

I bought this game over GTA V for my own B-day gift. First I notice was only one GPU was being used, this was with windows 8.1. After upgrading to Windows 10 and installed 15.4 (than 15.4.1) both drivers gave me the same results, only one GPU was being used. Just now switching the profile over to BF3 the framerate is almost double but menus and dash view flicker alot which is annoying


There is no win here, low frame rate with flicker free gameplay or fast frame rate with lots of flicker frown.gif

Should of bought GTA V IMO
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Still doesn't answer why the game performs much worse on AMD GPUs.
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