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How is Seasonic a rebrand?!? Since I didn't go out of my way to list brands? They build A LOT of *ahem* rebrands. mellowsmiley.gif

And you are simply wrong about Latency.

Latency addresses the number of "clock cycles" RAM is capable of. The clock cycles of Data Request is minimal between Latencies of 9 and 11. So say you have a pair of 2133 and a pair of 1866 at 11 and 9 respectively. The 2133 stocks will kill the speed of 1833 even though 1833 has the tighter Latency and takes 9 Clock Cycles to address the data request.

It's nice to have tighter timings, however companies are sacrificing Latency for Speed which allow for a higher MTps rate. Sometimes you can narrow the timings to lower the response time per module. I have narrowed mine to 10. Although I believe that with cooling, I could narrow the latency even further. RAM isn't locked on my board.I only went with 1600s because I am on AMD and base is 1333 and these sticks were cheap. I can and likely will go higher based on the specs of my MB, but these work just fine for now.

Boards have been expanding rated speed for quite some time. Latency hasn't and won't get in the way of that.

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You're going to see very little difference between CAS 9 1866MHz and CAS 11 2133MHz. Your memory is CAS 11 1600MHz. You tell me what's wrong with this picture.
post #153 of 171
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

Pretty much this. I have a Corsair Dom 1600C11 2x8 kit. Made gaming so much more smoother than the 2x4 kit that was on my board.

Corsair dominator C11 1600mhz?

I didn't think that such a kit even existed.
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post #154 of 171
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

You're going to see very little difference between CAS 9 1866MHz and CAS 11 2133MHz. Your memory is CAS 11 1600MHz. You tell me what's wrong with this picture.

I listed those speeds for the sake of argument. The fact that I own 1600 C11 means little in the grand scheme other than your stance that latency matters.

And yes Ryback, Corsair indeed sells Dom's in 1600 C11. The only thing lacking here is the part number which isn't relevant to my original point. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

I listed those speeds for the sake of argument. The fact that I own 1600 C11 means little in the grand scheme other than your stance that latency matters.

And yes Ryback, Corsair indeed sells Dom's in 1600 C11. The only thing lacking here is the part number which isn't relevant to my original point. wink.gif

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It's not my "stance" more than it is fact. The examples you provided further proved that. This is one of the reasons DDR3 wasn't an upgrade over DDR2 early on: latency was too high.
post #156 of 171
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And yes Ryback, Corsair indeed sells Dom's in 1600 C11. The only thing lacking here is the part number which isn't relevant to my original point. wink.gif

Hmm I find that odd because they are a 'performance' line

So kingston value ram is faster than corsair dominators wink.gif
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I think it's long past time to return to OP topic. This thread has been hijacked enough. Please respect OP. mellowsmiley.gif

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I think it's long past time to return to OP topic. This thread has been hijacked enough. Please respect OP. mellowsmiley.gif

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It's quite enjoyable reading through the various arguments in this thread.. some of it was actually quite insightful. thumb.gif
post #159 of 171
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Low latency is more important than higher frequency. The point I was trying to make was you didn't make the best choice in your RAM upgrade.

To your opinion on power supplies, brand doesn't mean very much. The majority of power supplies are rebranded so you need to look up the OEM.
Your next build will use DDR4. If it doesn't, you didn't upgrade your motherboard or CPU (unless you get an i7-4790K or the upcoming Broadwell i7, kind of pointless). You won't really need to upgrade until maybe 9th or 10th generation Core architecture. Anything between now and then probably won't be worth it. We won't really know until we get there. And when you do, you'll probably want a new power supply. I personally won't want to use one out of warranty.

The PSU has 7 years warranty and the Cooler has five so yea like i said get quality stuff for your psu and cooler HDD/SSD and case so you will pay as less as possible when you upgrade!
     
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The PSU has 7 years warranty and the Cooler has five so yea like i said get quality stuff for your psu and cooler HDD/SSD and case so you will pay as less as possible when you upgrade!
But with power supplies, capacity does not equate to quality. I don't think anyone is going to suggest low quality components anyway. The point I was trying to communicate was you're not likely to change your rig enough over the lifespan of your power supply to warrant replacing it before the warranty is up.
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