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post #31 of 171
Intel wouldn't include the stock cooler if it was inadequate for stock clocks. I still wouldn't recommend an unlocked processor if you have no plans to overclock. It would be like buying racing slicks for your car with no intention of racing.
post #32 of 171
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The Enthoo is a wonderful case but for $59.99, the Fractal Design Mini is a value leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-0swTwdcJU4

this is good. or the R4 for ATX. if he isn't going to overclock:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($191.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($323.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1018.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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post #33 of 171
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Intel wouldn't include the stock cooler if it was inadequate for stock clocks. I still wouldn't recommend an unlocked processor if you have no plans to overclock. It would be like buying racing slicks for your car with no intention of racing.

True but it sounds like he might change his mind. It's also a lot easier to sell it again when he looks to upgrade because the K-models are easily the most popular models. I'd say the 10-15 bucks extra is definitely worth it.
 
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post #34 of 171
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Originally Posted by OkanG View Post

True but it sounds like he might change his mind. It's also a lot easier to sell it again when he looks to upgrade because the K-models are easily the most popular models. I'd say the 10-15 bucks extra is definitely worth it.
The price difference between an i7-4790K and E3-1231v3 is around $75.
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The price difference between an i7-4790K and E3-1231v3 is around $75.

I was comparing a 4790 to a 4790k. Many more variants come into play when you compare two completely different CPUs
 
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post #36 of 171
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I was comparing a 4790 to a 4790k. Many more variants come into play when you compare two completely different CPUs
We must have differing views on "completely different" considering the two processors I mentioned are based on the same architecture.
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We must have differing views on "completely different" considering the two processors I mentioned are based on the same architecture.

Well I was trying to say that if the choice were between the same processors with the only difference being it's non-K, I'd go for the unlocket version regardless whether I'm overclocking or not. Shouldn't be that hard to understand. And the fact that they're the same architecture doesn't make them equal.

They're still made for different tasks, and there's no way I'd personally choose a Xeon for a gaming rig.
 
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Well I was trying to say that if the choice were between the same processors with the only difference being it's non-K, I'd go for the unlocket version regardless whether I'm overclocking or not. Shouldn't be that hard to understand. And the fact that they're the same architecture doesn't make them equal.

They're still made for different tasks, and there's no way I'd personally choose a Xeon for a gaming rig.
That's a rather myopic view. There's nothing wrong with using a Xeon in a gaming rig, especially if you aren't overclocking.
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That's a rather myopic view. There's nothing wrong with using a Xeon in a gaming rig, especially if you aren't overclocking.

Then why don't more people have Xeons if they're so cheap? 75 bucks just for being able to overclock the same processor doesn't seem worth it in any way. Pretty much everyone has a dedicated graphics anyways, so that basically makes the extra money for a 4790 or 4790k a waste?
 
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The Lenovo one 
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The Lenovo one 
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Then why don't more people have Xeons if they're so cheap? 75 bucks just for being able to overclock the same processor doesn't seem worth it in any way. Pretty much everyone has a dedicated graphics anyways, so that basically makes the extra money for a 4790 or 4790k a waste?
The only LGA1150 i7 even worth buying is the i7-4790K. If you're not buying one of those, you've better off buying a Xeon. It's essentially the same processor sans integrated graphics, which you don't need when you have a discrete GPU.

Do you mind me asking why you think a Xeon is a poor choice for a gaming rig?
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