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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

HBM GPU memory and AMD is a pioneer again. Need I say what will happen? NVIDIA joins the bandwagon in 2016 and will, yet again, offer faster products, have more games optimized and, of course, will push the industry where they want.

I guess you missed my previous post.

AMD doesn't own the patent to HBM, it wasn't developed by them, they HELPED with making it come to being. Thank you Mosaid Technologies for High Bandwidth Memory ... according to the patent holders.

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Looks like Peter Gillingham and Brue Millar from Mosaid Technologoes Inc. will be making a ton of money off of HBM. After all, they are the inventors and patent holders. thumb.gif

http://www.google.com/patents/US6510503

You can go there and check out the 15 related patents for HBM ... and none of them are from AMD.

http://www.google.com/patents/US20150078057
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080065820
etc.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/19/15 at 10:55am
post #52 of 208
I know some love to hate Charlie but its a good read anyway.

http://semiaccurate.com/2015/05/19/amd-finally-talks-hbm-memory/
post #53 of 208
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I guess you missed my previous post.

AMD doesn't own the patent to HBM, it wasn't developed by them, they HELPED with making it come to being. Thank you Mosaid Technologies for High Bandwidth Memory ... according to the patent holders.
You can go there and check out the 15 related patents for HBM ... and none of them are from AMD.

http://www.google.com/patents/US20150078057
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080065820
etc.

atleast read the stuff before you post rolleyes.gif

"This invention describes an improved high bandwidth chip-to-chip interface for memory devices, which is capable of operating at higher speeds, while maintaining error free data transmission, consuming lower power, and supporting more load."

http://techreport.com/review/28294/amd-high-bandwidth-memory-explained

"Making this sort of innovation happen was a broadly collaborative effort. AMD did much of the initial the heavy lifting, designing the interconnects, interposer, and the new DRAM type. Hynix partnered with AMD to produce the DRAM, and UMC manufactured the first interposers. JEDEC, the standards body charged with blessing new memory types, gave HBM the industry's blessing, which means this memory type should be widely supported by various interested firms."

HBM runs at speeds much lesser than GDDR5 but with a much wider bus it has much higher bandwidth. So what you posted is something completely different. As usual spreading misinformation tongue.gif
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atleast read the stuff before you post rolleyes.gif

"This invention describes an improved high bandwidth chip-to-chip interface for memory devices, which is capable of operating at higher speeds, while maintaining error free data transmission, consuming lower power, and supporting more load."
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http://techreport.com/review/28294/amd-high-bandwidth-memory-explained

"Making this sort of innovation happen was a broadly collaborative effort. AMD did much of the initial the heavy lifting, designing the interconnects, interposer, and the new DRAM type. Hynix partnered with AMD to produce the DRAM, and UMC manufactured the first interposers. JEDEC, the standards body charged with blessing new memory types, gave HBM the industry's blessing, which means this memory type should be widely supported by various interested firms."

HBM runs at speeds much lesser than GDDR5 but with a much wider bus it has much higher bandwidth. So what you posted is something completely different. As usual spreading misinformation tongue.gif

HBM runs at lower speeds per chip, but will add the bandwidths together (up to 4 chips) to achieve higher BANDWIDTH that GDDR5, thus an effective higher speed over GDDR5.

Speed != Bandwidth. So why don't you learn how to read, and understand the technology we are talking about.

Besides, are you saying both the US and Canadian Patent Offices are wrong?
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/19/15 at 11:21am
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post #56 of 208
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

I guess you missed my previous post.

AMD doesn't own the patent to HBM, it wasn't developed by them, they HELPED with making it come to being. Thank you Mosaid Technologies for High Bandwidth Memory ... according to the patent holders.
You can go there and check out the 15 related patents for HBM ... and none of them are from AMD.

http://www.google.com/patents/US20150078057
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080065820
etc.

At a glance none of these describe anything we know about AMD's HBM. They're just described as "High-bandwidth memory".

These are some of AMD's stacked memory patents.

https://www.google.com/patents/US20130159812?dq=inassignee:%22Advanced+micro%22+%22stacked+memory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TIZbVamNBNLAgwTX_IGIDA&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBjgU
Stacked memory with a logic layer

https://www.google.com/patents/US20140040532?dq=inassignee:%22Advanced+micro%22+through+silicon+via+memory&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NoVbVcn2BsikNvnqgfgM&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCTgK
This describes a patent for a memory device that is comprised of a stack of memory layers and one or more logic devices, which can include the interface. Sounds like AMD's HBM.
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AMD is not a market leader but a market follower. They do not have the capacity nor the influence to dictate what will happen in the gaming industry. Let us go down memory lane and remember the mighty 64 chips from them where everyone here on OCN was using the 'yeah ...i got 64 bit I can install the OS so my investment is better than yours, so your INTEL sucks because it is x86'. We know how that turned out and how 64 bit parametrisation happened when INTEL joined the bandwagon hand in hand with the other influential parties.

The GDDR days on AMD gpus were again superb in terms of innovation. What happened? NVIDIA came out with much better products and has so much influence in the market that developers are lying straight in our faces they did not optimize for NVIDIA.

HBM GPU memory and AMD is a pioneer again. Need I say what will happen? NVIDIA joins the bandwagon in 2016 and will, yet again, offer faster products, have more games optimized and, of course, will push the industry where they want.



It is not enough to innovate gents! thumb.gif
Wrong, I'm sick of saying this but the 'win' in console 'wins' doesn't mean money.
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As much as I utterly hate Samsung right now....

This is why I feel AMD should just sell, or sell off either CPU or GPU. AMD isn't large enough to fight both battles, they are losing both of them horribly! I think AMD should sell one of the divisions to Samsung, or other extremely powerful non-Intel or Nvidia business. Allowing them to focus on whichever they ultimately decide to keep, and to get back at winning at least one war.

Unfortunately I can't think of anyone better suited to buy one of the divisions than Samsung. Google doesn't seem interested in hardware, although they did just create their own motherboard or something along those lines.
But its only now they're starting to get it right, Su said they were going to concentrate on high end x86 server and workstation gpu/apu, this when I became optimistic, then the more stupid stuff they've cancelled like the arm crap the more optimistic I've got. These are the parts they make most money from and although market share is bad atm they're part of virtual duopolies with intel and nvidia.
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Wrong, I'm sick of saying this but the 'win' in console 'wins' doesn't mean money.

As I recall it meant a decent increase in gross revenue, but hardly anything in terms of actual profit.
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AMD has invested 7 years and considerable(for them)resources helping create HBM memory. They may not hold all the patents but there is plenty of license agreements in place so they can capitalize their investment. In the end Nvidia and any other company that uses HBM will have to pay AMD and the others that developed it royalty fees.
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