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We have seen this before with John Freuhe. Was that his name? He made some interesting statements on Bulldozer and how that is the real thing. The technology and core placement were so much better than INTEL's because they were 'true' cores not boob job ones. I recall pages and pages of arm chair CPU development supporting AMD's statements and how INTEL is long gone from the top. How did that turn out? thumb.gif



AMD has become Nokia pretty much. Stuck in the past, innovating as always, not delivering like they should and allowing the competition to clean up. Where is Nokia now? Long gone in the pages of history. Nokia CEOs and super saiyan experts promised exactly the same thing Macri does. While iOS and Android, bla bla and how those OS are like keeping yourself warm by peeing against the wind and Symbian was the king. I will stop here.


John Macri instead of talking the talk and blaming the competition for being behind, he should walk the walk with the AMD balance sheet in his hand and write on a board 100 times 'i will never ignore the red in our expenses when I make acid statements at NVIDIA. I will never ignore the lack of market share we have when I say AMD innovates and delivers while NVIDIA does nothing.


I am starting to think after a decade of failing to go back to the top AMD is in a cocoon like a scared child who cannot recover from the E6600 days when a 200 euro chip massacred a 1000 euro FX 54 chip. What is AMD smoking, honestly? It has effects lasting a decade and anyone who joins to do better is affected.


I quit OCN once because of the disgusting fanboyism towards companies and complete ignorance of historical data and facts. Things haven't changed. AMD is still the king, excuses all over the place, and wait for this product do not buy this or that.

I have owned AMD / ATI cards all my life, nothing will keep me with this company anymore. I have given them more time and money than they deserved. 1400 euros for two vapor x 5870 cards back in the day making Dirt 2 / SC2, etc and any other new game work like crap? NVIDIA has issues but they bloody fix them faster!!! Grey line of death cards, red line of death cards, crap partner PCBs, etc.
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What will be interesting is to see the temperatures on these memory chips. They're so close to the die I wonder if the memory will need to be cooled by the same cooler used for the gpu? Maybe they won't need to be cooled at all...

 

don't think ram temps will be the issue however if the ram make the gpu/cpu warmer it might be

 

I'v seen ram run at 100°C with out an issue

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We have seen this before with John Freuhe. Was that his name? He made some interesting statements on Bulldozer and how that is the real thing. The technology and core placement were so much better than INTEL's because they were 'true' cores not boob job ones. I recall pages and pages of arm chair CPU development supporting AMD's statements and how INTEL is long gone from the top. How did that turn out? thumb.gif



AMD has become Nokia pretty much. Stuck in the past, innovating as always, not delivering like they should and allowing the competition to clean up. Where is Nokia now? Long gone in the pages of history. Nokia CEOs and super saiyan experts promised exactly the same thing Macri does. While iOS and Android, bla bla and how those OS are like keeping yourself warm by peeing against the wind and Symbian was the king. I will stop here.


John Macri instead of talking the talk and blaming the competition for being behind, he should walk the walk with the AMD balance sheet in his hand and write on a board 100 times 'i will never ignore the red in our expenses when I make acid statements at NVIDIA. I will never ignore the lack of market share we have when I say AMD innovates and delivers while NVIDIA does nothing.


I am starting to think after a decade of failing to go back to the top AMD is in a cocoon like a scared child who cannot recover from the E6600 days when a 200 euro chip massacred a 1000 euro FX 54 chip. What is AMD smoking, honestly? It has effects lasting a decade and anyone who joins to do better is affected.


I quit OCN once because of the disgusting fanboyism towards companies and complete ignorance of historical data and facts. Things haven't changed. AMD is still the king, excuses all over the place, and wait for this product do not buy this or that.

I have owned AMD / ATI cards all my life, nothing will keep me with this company anymore. I have given them more time and money than they deserved. 1400 euros for two vapor x 5870 cards back in the day making Dirt 2 / SC2, etc and any other new game work like crap? NVIDIA has issues but they bloody fix them faster!!! Grey line of death cards, red line of death cards, crap partner PCBs, etc.

AMD just talk and balance sheets while nVidia innovated with a ring bus (2400XT - can't remember exactly which one it was) or DDR5 (4870).
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Based on their definition of balanced sheets, perhaps a new accounting team is in order? tongue.gif

Well, after the marketing overhaul
   
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Especially if these new 4GB rumors are true. We'll all get whiplash from how fast the story will change on how much VRAM is needed.

They are true ... according to the Chief Technical Officer at AMD. Here is his spin on "4GB is enough" ...
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AMD's CTO, Joe Macri, explained the 4GB limitation to Ars in a telephone call:

"You're not limited in this world to any number of stacks, but from a capacity point of view, this generation-one HBM, each DRAM is a two-gigabit DRAM, so yeah, if you have four stacks you're limited to four gigabytes. You could build things with more stacks, you could build things with less stacks. Capacity of the frame buffer is just one of our concerns. There are many things you can do to utilise that capacity better. So if you have four stacks you're limited to four [gigabytes], but we don't really view that as a performance limitation from an AMD perspective."

"If you actually look at frame buffers and how efficient they are and how efficient the drivers are at managing capacities across the resolutions, you'll find that there's a lot that can be done. We do not see 4GB as a limitation that would cause performance bottlenecks. We just need to do a better job managing the capacities. We were getting free capacity, because with [GDDR5] in order to get more bandwidth we needed to make the memory system wider, so the capacities were increasing. As engineers, we always focus on where the bottleneck is. If you're getting capacity, you don't put as much effort into better utilising that capacity. 4GB is more than sufficient. We've had to go do a little bit of investment in order to better utilise the frame buffer, but we're not really seeing a frame buffer capacity [problem]. You'll be blown away by how much [capacity] is wasted."

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/the-tech-behind-hbm-why-amds-high-bandwidth-memory-matters/2/
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/20/15 at 3:23am
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If it's not new why isn't it ubiquitous out in the wild? That's like saying space elevators and hyperloops are "nothing new," since the ideas have been around for a while.

The attempt to discredit anything AMD is expected from one of the biggest Nvidia fanbois on these forums though.

Dude, Micron has been using HMC in servers for awhile now for main memory. Ever hear of Intel's Knights Landing of Xeon Phi chips?

HBM is the first time that it will be used on a graphics card.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/20/15 at 3:25am
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Nvidia creates PowerPoints and talks in advance like they are the wonderful leader of everything,” Macri said derisively. “While they’re talking, we’re working.”

Most ironic statement of the century.

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While iOS and Android, bla bla and how those OS are like keeping yourself warm by peeing against the wind and Symbian was the king. I will stop here.

LOL
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Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post

Truths and fact unfortunately will not stop the misinformer.

I never once claimed that AMD had nothing to do in designing HBM, but you and others seem to think I did. I'm just saying that much of the ground work was done by people other than AMD as well.

You and others see ANYTHING that AMD has their hands in as the key player in everything. Oh look, AMD is now working with Microsoft on DirectX 12 ... that means that AMD invented DirectX 12. Nevermind that Microsoft invented DirectX 1 thru 11 and nVidia, Microsoft, Intel are ALSO working on DirectX 12. But no, you and others are running around saying "If it wasn't for AMD, DirectX 12 never would have been ... even though there was DirectX 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11."
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 5/20/15 at 3:31am
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Most ironic statement of the century.

I was about to say...

Is AMD actually calling someone out for making too many power point presentations and not releasing products?
 
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I never once claimed that AMD had nothing to do in designing HBM, but you and others seem to think I did. I'm just saying that much of the ground work was done by people other than AMD as well.

rubbish. AMD did literally everything right from HBM design and development, prototyping and partnered with Hynix for HBM production. AMD and Hynix proposed the technology to JEDEC who adopted it as JESD235.

http://techreport.com/review/28294/amd-high-bandwidth-memory-explained

"Making this sort of innovation happen was a broadly collaborative effort. AMD did much of the initial the heavy lifting, designing the interconnects, interposer, and the new DRAM type. Hynix partnered with AMD to produce the DRAM, and UMC manufactured the first interposers. JEDEC, the standards body charged with blessing new memory types, gave HBM the industry's blessing, which means this memory type should be widely supported by various interested firms. "
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