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Right, so what makes you think AMD would do something as stupid and boneheaded as releasing an $849 Titan X with only 4GB of vram? Not directed at you specifically but do people really believe AMD is that delusional?

I guess I see it like this:

Pick 2 (and only 2) of the following:
- below or at Titan X level performance
- 4GB HBM
- $849 price

You say pick two, AMD seems to be dead set on picking three and pretending they did nothing wrong.


You seem to be buying whatever these rumors are selling?

From Ars
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AMD's just taken the wraps off its shiny new high bandwidth memory (HBM) technology, and as rumoured, the company is limited to a total of 4GB for its first-generation HBM product. While AMD has yet to reveal specifics of what that product might be, it did tell us that it'll be a GPU, it'll be priced towards the higher end of the spectrum, and that you'll be able to walk into a store and buy one within "the next couple of months." The rumour mill strongly suggests that this first HBM part will be the R9 390X.


Where does AMD unequivocally state the vram size in any of these rumors? In the FUD, Ars?
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I really hope you are right tsm, for AMD's sake. I still believe it will be an 8GB card personally, but you can never underestimate AMD's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They are truly the Atlanta Falcons of the PC hardware world... doh.gif
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I really hope you are right tsm, for AMD's sake. I still believe it will be an 8GB card personally, but you can never underestimate AMD's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They are truly the Atlanta Falcons of the PC hardware world... doh.gif


Everyone is jumping around, like hard work done, and yet there is no actual real news because AMD have not made any statements. It's sad that even Ars has stooped to click bait.
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But what if AMD simply can't do 8GB HBM1 ? Wait a bit and bump into Pascal, or sell what they can now?

They may be stuck between rocks and a hard place.
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Also you can put more stacks on the package.
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You seem to be buying whatever these rumors are selling?

From Ars
Where does AMD unequivocally state the vram size in any of these rumors? In the FUD, Ars?

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/the-tech-behind-hbm-why-amds-high-bandwidth-memory-matters/2/

So this is clickbait? That sure as hell looks like Joe Marci saying they won't be held back by having 4gb of HBM.
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You seem to be buying whatever these rumors are selling?

From Ars
Where does AMD unequivocally state the vram size in any of these rumors? In the FUD, Ars?

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/the-tech-behind-hbm-why-amds-high-bandwidth-memory-matters/2/

So this is clickbait? That sure as hell looks like Joe Marci saying they won't be held back by having 4gb of HBM.


He also said they could build it with more stacks, but really that's not a concern even if they were limited to 4gb. But tell me this, where does he say the card will only have 4g vram. Where? Unequivocally?

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You could build things with more stacks, you could build things with less stacks. Capacity of the frame buffer is just one of our concerns. There are many things you can do to utilise that capacity better.
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Why are people so desperate to believe every negative rumor about AMD? If they really do launch a regular 4GB, non-watercooled Fiji at $849 and it can't handily beat the Titan X in every resolution it won't sell. Everyone knows this. AMD knows this. The two "thousand dollar" items they've released recently were the 9590 (Not a consumer edition; that launched at around $300) and a dual GPU card (7990, and the 295x2 at $1500), both of which out performed the competition.
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He also said they could build it with more stacks, but really that's not a concern even if they were limited to 4gb. But tell me this, where does he say the card will only have 4g vram. Where? Unequivocally?

He's not explaining that they won't be held back by 4gb because they're using 8gb, he's explaining they won't be held back by 4gb because they found other ways to use it more efficiently. That is something they have done.
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You're not limited in this world to any number of stacks, but from a capacity point of view, this generation-one HBM, each DRAM is a two-gigabit DRAM, so yeah, if you have four stacks you're limited to four gigabytes. You could build things with more stacks, you could build things with less stacks

These are things they could have done, but didn't.
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He also said they could build it with more stacks, but really that's not a concern even if they were limited to 4gb. But tell me this, where does he say the card will only have 4g vram. Where? Unequivocally?

Yeah, but this is a much more troubling quote:
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"If you actually look at frame buffers and how efficient they are and how efficient the drivers are at managing capacities across the resolutions, you'll find that there's a lot that can be done. We do not see 4GB as a limitation that would cause performance bottlenecks. We just need to do a better job managing the capacities. We were getting free capacity, because with [GDDR5] in order to get more bandwidth we needed to make the memory system wider, so the capacities were increasing. As engineers, we always focus on where the bottleneck is. If you're getting capacity, you don't put as much effort into better utilising that capacity. 4GB is more than sufficient. We've had to go do a little bit of investment in order to better utilise the frame buffer, but we're not really seeing a frame buffer capacity [problem]. You'll be blown away by how much [capacity] is wasted."

Sounds a lot like he is lowering expectations in this phone call. Either that, or this is a huge feint and AMD plans to snooker Nvidia like they did with Eyefinity...
post #210 of 269
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Yeah, but this is a much more troubling quote:
Sounds a lot like he is lowering expectations in this phone call. Either that, or this is a huge feint and AMD plans to snooker Nvidia like they did with Eyefinity...

I have a strong feeling that Nvidia has had their hands on at least one engineering sample of Fiji since at least February, and AMD has no surprises in store for them. Besides the many and numerous other hints they've been dropping, the fact that they released the Titan X before the 980ti is a dead giveaway that they know what they've got to do to beat it.
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