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You say pick two, AMD seems to be dead set on picking three and pretending they did nothing wrong.

Well if AMD is dead set on picking all three, then it would their Titan Z and nobody would buy it. Somehow I'm skeptical they'd be willing to let history repeat itself again and sit on a pile of excess inventory that's going nowhere anytime soon. They'll either have to slash prices, or won't price it that high to begin with. Or it truly is powered by rainbow unicorn farts and is magically 20% faster than Titan X at every resolution, in which case the 4GB vram won't be as glaring, and presents an interesting situation for potential buyers instead of the cut and dry worst case scenario being depicted here.
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He also said they could build it with more stacks, but really that's not a concern even if they were limited to 4gb. But tell me this, where does he say the card will only have 4g vram. Where? Unequivocally?

He's not explaining that they won't be held back by 4gb because they're using 8gb, he's explaining they won't be held back by 4gb because they found other ways to use it more efficiently. That is something they have done.
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You're not limited in this world to any number of stacks, but from a capacity point of view, this generation-one HBM, each DRAM is a two-gigabit DRAM, so yeah, if you have four stacks you're limited to four gigabytes. You could build things with more stacks, you could build things with less stacks

These are things they could have done, but didn't.


Where did he say they didn't?
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I agree with Ganf, if they trot out an $850 "halo" card at E3 with just 4GB of memory its game over. I mean, I just can't imagine them doing something that stupid with Nvidia just sitting there with the 980Ti hammer blow just waiting to fall. Bragging about HBM is not gonna change the fact that the box will still say "4GB" on the side. The logical, low information consumer will look at that and say "well, for $150 more I can get a 12GB Titan X!"

Come on AMD, your own fans are telling you what they want to buy and you just keep refusing to give it to them!

(just to clarify, its not that i am disagreeing with you - i saw your last sentence as the best of many posts to bring up)

maybe this is AMD telling it's fans what they need; money.

really, let take a look back in recent history and consider how many time AMD has put gpus/cards on the market for a very reasonable price or plain cheap. humor me by thinking of a hypothetical buyer who would have gladly paid $50 more each card and has over the course of the last ~3 years or so bought 3. that's $150, pretty much what i am seeing people saying is too much the rumored price of the 390x.; $850 compared to $700.

well then, doesn't it all work out?

that is likely a very bad example on my part but it is no secret that AMD is bleeding money to where some people have them on life support in an ICU. but if the 390x regardless of 4/8Gb debate is able to smack around the titan for 85% of the price - i don't think it is unreasonable to give up a few extra bucks to help out a favored company. granted, i am sure the smallish amount of overall profits for the 390x won't help all of AMD's financial woes but maybe AMD could be assured that it's fanbase will help them out with a few extra bucks after AMD has been supportive of giving the very best price performance ratio for a number of years now.

at the risk of being crass - there are a few folks that have posted (again not saying anything specific about you eric) and proclaimed their support for AMD being the underdog and all . . .well i'd like to look them in the eye and say, "it's time to put up or shut up."

just saying.
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I have a strong feeling that Nvidia has had their hands on at least one engineering sample of Fiji since at least February, and AMD has no surprises in store for them. Besides the many and numerous other hints they've been dropping, the fact that they released the Titan X before the 980ti is a dead giveaway that they know what they've got to do to beat it.


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Only about 2 weeks or so before the specs of the new AMD cards along with NV's 980 Ti are going to be official. (and maybe some official benchmarks to go with, followed shortly by some third party ones)

This is a rare time where I would be amazed if the leaks were not basically confirmed. Specifically, I think there is very compelling evidence to suggest that a ~$850 Fiji card from AMD will release with 4GB of HBM. That same Fiji card will likely trade blows with the Titan X on performance, being roughly equal or slightly better on average. (4K performance gains are likely to be the most impressive due to the massive bandwidth increase.)

While I would rather see Fiji shatter the Titan X performance, so we can ignite much better pricing battle between AMD and NV; that's probably wishful thinking.

Leaks about NV's 980 Ti don't seem as solid about the price but a couple sites speculate in the $750 range which implies that NV expects it will not perform as well as the flagship Fiji, further hints that the flagship Fiji is in the Titan X perfromance territory.

NV does get to charge a bit of a premium since they spend more on marketing to developers and consumers and have a larger loyal base. They also have lots more cash and resources to commit to driver development and so on, but those massive premiums are smaller if AMD gets clear performance wins. You also have the fact that ignorant consumers will see 4GB and understandably assume that it is inferior to a competing card sporting 6GB or 12GB. An informed buyer realizes that metrics like this cannot be taken at face value, but the layman doesn't--and you can bet the marketing department will be sure uninformed customers get that invalid assumption emphasized (which can be as simple as giant bold font with a higher number).

Regardless, we know HBM is confirmed and that it's the future memory tech of the next few generations of GPU's, providing a massive increase in memory bandwidth. Someone already linked the arstechnica article, and techreport also has a nice story about HBM: http://techreport.com/review/28294/amd-high-bandwidth-memory-explained To me, that's the most interesting aspect (revolutionary tech).
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that is likely a very bad example on my part but it is no secret that AMD is bleeding money to where some people have them on life support in an ICU. but if the 390x regardless of 4/8Gb debate is able to smack around the titan for 85% of the price - i don't think it is unreasonable to give up a few extra bucks to help out a favored company. granted, i am sure the smallish amount of overall profits for the 390x won't help all of AMD's financial woes but maybe AMD could be assured that it's fanbase will help them out with a few extra bucks after AMD has been supportive of giving the very best price performance ratio for a number of years now.

at the risk of being crass - there are a few folks that have posted (again not saying anything specific about you eric) and proclaimed their support for AMD being the underdog and all . . .well i'd like to look them in the eye and say, "it's time to put up or shut up."

just saying.

Not trying to be nitpicky, just pointing something out... the latest rumors seem to agree that the 390/390X cards are not the $850 Fiji--those cards should live somewhere in between.

It's only the new Fiji architecture that gets HBM and starts at 4GB (per GPU). The 390/390X cards will probably be Hawaii/Tonga based refreshes. Obviously that's not confirmed yet, but it sure seems the most likely result from what I've read.

Anyway, I have to point it out since it does mean we'll see some cheaper, newer high end cards too.
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Not trying to be nitpicky, just pointing something out... the latest rumors seem to agree that the 390/390X cards are not the $850 Fiji--those cards should live somewhere in between.

It's only the new Fiji architecture that gets HBM and starts at 4GB (per GPU). The 390/390X cards will probably be Hawaii/Tonga based refreshes. Obviously that's not confirmed yet, but it sure seems the most likely result from what I've read.

Anyway, I have to point it out since it does mean we'll see some cheaper, newer high end cards too.

ah, thanks for pointing that out and glad you understood what i meant. thumb.gif
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Where did he say they didn't?

I don't think you're getting the picture.

He was doing his best not to say anything one way or the other, but instead might as well have flat out told them that Fiji had 4gb of HBM because he's pretty awful at keeping secrets. This is why ubernerds should leave the P.R. calls to the P.R. reps, because people like Mark Walton have a much harder time with getting them to say too much.

I've seen less convincing confessions get people convicted in court.
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Thread to reopen soon.

Please stick closer to the topic which is speculation of the price of AMD's new card.

No more arguing or personal comments please.
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(just to clarify, its not that i am disagreeing with you - i saw your last sentence as the best of many posts to bring up)

maybe this is AMD telling it's fans what they need; money.

really, let take a look back in recent history and consider how many time AMD has put gpus/cards on the market for a very reasonable price or plain cheap. humor me by thinking of a hypothetical buyer who would have gladly paid $50 more each card and has over the course of the last ~3 years or so bought 3. that's $150, pretty much what i am seeing people saying is too much the rumored price of the 390x.; $850 compared to $700.

well then, doesn't it all work out?

that is likely a very bad example on my part but it is no secret that AMD is bleeding money to where some people have them on life support in an ICU. but if the 390x regardless of 4/8Gb debate is able to smack around the titan for 85% of the price - i don't think it is unreasonable to give up a few extra bucks to help out a favored company. granted, i am sure the smallish amount of overall profits for the 390x won't help all of AMD's financial woes but maybe AMD could be assured that it's fanbase will help them out with a few extra bucks after AMD has been supportive of giving the very best price performance ratio for a number of years now.

at the risk of being crass - there are a few folks that have posted (again not saying anything specific about you eric) and proclaimed their support for AMD being the underdog and all . . .well i'd like to look them in the eye and say, "it's time to put up or shut up."

just saying.

That's just it. Whether a $849 price tag could be tolerated really hinges upon the actual performance relative to Titan X. Would I buy a 4GB 390X that just matches the Titan X for $849? No. But say if it was 10% faster than the Titan X? Depends on how likely I'm going to get bottlenecked by vram at 1440p. How about if it was 20% faster than Titan X? Almost a shoo-in for me by that point.

I guess this goes back to my earlier point about AMD needing to make this a not so clear cut situation -- do I want a GPU with more grunt, or one with more vram? Anyway that's just my humble opinion.
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