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If Gameworks implements hardware features on Maxwell that Kepler has to emulate in software, or takes advantages of specific architectural improvements, there's really no way to optimize it. You could write a new code-path for Kepler, with lower quality visuals (which I'm surprised they haven't done), but that's about it. Maxwell supports features, and has strengths, that Kepler doesn't and won't have, and no amount of driver tweaking is going to be able to fully eliminate that. Same thing is always going to happen with new architectures. People tend to overlook that because we are still on the same node, but Maxwell is not just a faster Kepler.

Was AMD gimping 6970 performance when TressFX murdered performance on that card compared to the 7970 because of the improved compute?


GTA 5 provides an effective counter claim to Kepler being gimped in current games.

but when a gimped card like gtx 960 bested gtx 780, there's definitely "something" going on


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Yeah, that is nuts. I mean that only like a 200 dollar card. Then consider a 970 is beating a vanilla Titan. I can see why a lot of peeps are very pissed off about this.
     
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So if i had good SLI scaling i can expect 52fps with my rig @ 1080p? Shocking.....!
 
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Stuff like this is why I've hung up PC gaming for a bit. It's too shady right now.

I'll wait for Zen and an AMD card with hbm to come out before considering getting back into this nonsense.

My ps4 has been just fine right now considering the current bs surrounding PC gaming.
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You know, if you carefully read the posts of some people "in the know" (and give credit to these folks, which does not include me.... Lol) on this forum, there has been plenty of discussion on Nvidia planning around optimization support for Gk 110 cards.
I understand that Nvidia couldn't sit on its arse without releasing cards every quarter, while waiting for TSMC to get its act together, but it you are going to release cards to goose the quarterly earnings, then stand behind these cards, even if these are just fillers to the next platform.
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but when a gimped card like gtx 960 bested gtx 780, there's definitely "something" going on


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Where the 960 also beats the 290X? At higher resolution the 780 pulls back ahead. Once again, games that take advantage of new hardware features are going to do better on new hardware, it doesn't have to be a great conspiracy where "something" is going on. Kepler =/= Maxwell.


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what is this Kepler vs Maxwell thing all about. I haven't really read much about it until now. Is Nvidia really gimping Kepler cards or are the Maxwell cards just better at stuff that modern games utilize more of? headscratch.gif
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Where the 960 also beats the 290X? At higher resolution the 780 pulls back ahead. Once again, games that take advantage of new hardware features are going to do better on new hardware, it doesn't have to be a great conspiracy where "something" is going on. Kepler =/= Maxwell.


well, amd is amd, sorry red team tongue.gif

with increase resolution, gtx 780 better be ahead again, or else ... but, in that same 1440p, with rainy condition, gtx 960 is getting same fps as the gtx 780.



You can argue that's because of gameworks favors Maxwell, but come on Man, this is gtx 960 we're talking about rolleyes.gif

ManuelG him self has acknowledge there's problem within recent driver for Kepler, if there isn't a growing thread about this issue in the geforce forums. I doubt nvidia will acknowledge it.
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well, amd is amd, sorry red team tongue.gif

with increase resolution, gtx 780 better be ahead again, or else ... but, in that same 1440p, with rainy condition, gtx 960 is getting same fps as the gtx 780.



You can argue that's because of gameworks favors Maxwell, but come on Man, this is gtx 960 we're talking about rolleyes.gif

ManuelG him self has acknowledge there's problem within recent driver for Kepler, if there isn't a growing thread about this issue in the geforce forums. I doubt nvidia will acknowledge it.

Project Cars shouldn't even be considered a benchmark. Worst game ever!
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You can argue that's because of gameworks favors Maxwell, but come on Man, this is gtx 960 we're talking about rolleyes.gif

ManuelG him self has acknowledge there's problem within recent driver for Kepler, if there isn't a growing thread about this issue in the geforce forums. I doubt nvidia will acknowledge it.

Most likely, what is going on is that Nvidia has, quite logically, designed their new software to take advantage of the strengths and new features of their new architecture. When Intel adds AVX to its CPU and then updates the compiler to use AVX code, is that shady or Gilpin older cards?

Let's not forget that a 780 is just a scaled up 680, which came out 3 years ago. Are we really to expect no performance improvements in that time?

As for why AMD cards aren't similarly affected, maybe GCN was just more forward looking than we thought, or maybe Maxwell is just more GCN-like. Maxwell and Hawaii (and Tonga) all support DX11.2 features that Kepler doesn't. Or maybe it's all just a big driver snafu and new versions will make everything right with the world again, because that's never happened before.
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