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Like I said in earlier post, it JUST became mid-range, right after Titan X came out. It created a HUGE performance gap between GTX 980 and itself.

yea, I feel you dude, my Ti is currently is mid-range too, in the mid-low that is, even below 970 frown.gif

imo, it is business as usual for nvidia, release mid first, milk it. Later implement some (bloated ??) effects in so called next games, the catch ... only $1000 GPU can (reasonably) run it.
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I can maintain stable 60 fps with everything at ultra except vegetation distance (or something like that) being at high and hairworks off on my GTX 780 Ti @1440p.
Since there is no difference between high/ultra, I will count hairworks only, which steal 10fps top. And its KEPLER card.
Edited by Anateus - 5/19/15 at 10:49am
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Even with SLI, I can't even truly max GTA V (as in high res shadows + extended draw distance sliders).

Hate constantly getting caught between true high end releases.... Made the same mistake with the 680..

I don't own the game so I don't know for sure, but with a name like that in the settings, I'd expect that to be a real performance killer. Sounds to me like the intended settings for players who want to "Max" the game out will be whatever setting comes before the extended ones, and the extended one would be for the people who want to take it further as an alternative to editing .INI files or installing mods to enable that.

Are the extended sliders hidden in "Advanced Settings" or need something like a checkbox to use or are they immediately available right next to the other options?


In Minecraft the maximum view distance is 16 chunks. With OptiFine you can drag the slider further all the way to 32.

With a render distance of 1 you load the chunk you're standing in plus one extra in each direction in a square. So,a distance of 1 is 3x3 for 9 total chunks rendered.
With 4 that's 25 total chunks.
With 16 that's 289 total chunks.
With 32 that's 1089 total chunks.

As you can see the numbers go up incredibly fast. With a game that has some scene complexity unlike MC, I'd imagine the performance hit would be pretty severe. Especially if cars and AI are also loaded within the visible distance rather than having their own specific setting.

How is your performance with the highest non-extended draw distance and everything else maxxed?
What about with your draw distance at the extended max with shadows off? Is that playable?



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when did a 980 became a high end card ?

Probably the moment it ranked in the top 10 of this list or others like it.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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970 is also on that list, ranked 6th, so it's considered high end too ?
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970 is also on that list, ranked 6th, so it's considered high end too ?

Yeah, so are the Titans and the 290X.
What do you think a high end video card is? And why exactly do you not believe a 980 classifies as one?

Whether NVIDIA or AMD have something much much better up their sleeve about to be released doesn't change how hardware out today compares to other available hardware.
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I can maintain stable 60 fps with everything at ultra except vegetation distance (or something like that) being at high and hairworks off on my GTX 780 Ti @1440p.
Since there is no difference between high/ultra, I will count hairworks only, which steal 10fps top. And its KEPLER card.

Do you use HBAO+? And without HairWorks, the game loses its charm... It affects grass, foliage and other vegetation too, I think. I do admit that I increased GrassDistance from 1.5 (Ultra) to 3.0 or else grass would disappear too soon for me to enjoy the landscape!
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Yeah, so are the Titans and the 290X.
What do you think a high end video card is? And why exactly do you not believe a 980 classifies as one?

Whether NVIDIA or AMD have something much much better up their sleeve about to be released doesn't change how hardware out today compares to other available hardware.

LOL that PassMark list is bogus! GTA V alone needs 3.7GB of vRAM to run at Ultra or even High settings, which means GTX 780 Ti is nowhere near good enough to run GTA V on Ultra. Games like GTA V become the Golden Standard, which other developers will target, not giving a damn that only Titan X can handle the game properly.

BTW, is SLI GTX 980 stock faster than Titan X stock?
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The main appeal of Maxwell has always been decreased power draw and resultant heat output. Expecting to have your cake and eat it too is usually a path to disappointment.
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If you take a look at the latest demanding games - GTA V and Witcher 3 benchmarks, you notice GTX 980 is not performing all that well @ only 1080p with most settings on Ultra, some AA, but some settings reduced (like GTA V's Grass Quality that brings down even Titan X). Its nowhere near a high-end videocard now. Witcher 3 @ 1080p @ Ultra + HBAO+ HairWorks gets about 45fps on average. The same can be said about GTA V, not to mention that GTA V has huge framerate variance.

For 1440p, GTX 980 is practically a bare minimum..

This really sucks. You either have to cash out $1000 on Titan X or stick with mid-range videocard like GTX 980 (970 too I guess). The jump is GPU speed demand in these games is rather sudden. GTX 780 at this point is entry-gaming card. Its hard to believe that just 2 months ago, GTX 980 was somewhat of a high-end card, but not anymore...
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Uh... So a Video card in the top 5 on the market is now "mid range" when there are easily a few dozen different cards out there? Mid range for the elite - sure. Still high end compared to the rest of the market. Take a good look at Steam user statistics for April 2015 and get back to me.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
    
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LOL that PassMark list is bogus! GTA V alone needs 3.7GB of vRAM to run at Ultra or even High settings, which means GTX 780 Ti is nowhere near good enough to run GTA V on Ultra. Games like GTA V become the Golden Standard, which other developers will target, not giving a damn that only Titan X can handle the game properly.

BTW, is SLI GTX 980 stock faster than Titan X stock?
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