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No, I am saying 4GB is the minimum these days, which means GTX 980, 290X, and Titans are fine in regards to vRAM, but GTX 780's and 780 TI's are not that fine. GTX 780 series is highly limited by vRAM, which prevents them from maxing out graphics in games like GTA V and Middle Earth - Shadows of Mordor. Right now there is only ONE High-end card - Titan X, then we have upper mid-range card - GTX 980, but only IF overclocked, otherwise its mid-mid-range @ stock clocks. Then we have R9 290X - mid-mid-range. After that we have GTX 970, which is lower mid-range card, even if overclocked, mostly due to 3.5GB limitations and 290 goes into the same category. After that we have GTX 780 and 780 Ti which are BARE minimum. I rated 290 and 290X above 780 series because they have 4GB vRAM, making them more future-proof, even though they are slightly slower than GTX 780 series.

You are conflating VRAM allocation with usage. My 780Tis are not VRAM bottlenecked at 1440p in GTAV, max settings minus MSAA.
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but I'm perfectly happy with letting Geforce Experience decide the settings for my GTX 780 in GTA V.

Case in point, it set most everything to very high, turned off tesselation, MSAA, and depth of field effects, set resolution to 1920x1200, and boom... 60+ FPS the entire freakin game. Smooth as butter, not a single crash or stutter, and the game looks absolutely gorgeous! Hell, I can even turn on tessellation with virtually no performance hit (but it does drop below 60 FPS more often)

I'm all for being able to max that eye candy, but even at Very High settings, the game is the most beautiful game I have ever seen on PC. It uses roughly 2.6GB vram at the current settings, and because my card ONLY has 3GB (now that's funny...), it runs perfectly. thumb.gif

I still consider my GTX 780 high-end. Is it? Well, since the GTX 970 is $330 or less now and a little bit faster, not really, but no one is going to criticize a 780 or 970 for not being able to get the job done easily.

The 980 is still high end. The Titan X is just.... crazy.





EDIT: my 780 can max out BF4 @ 1440P and get 55-60 FPS average. Turn that down to 1080P, and you get 75 FPS average... no I'm not joking. Yes, big kepler is still a really good chip for high-end gaming.
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You are conflating VRAM allocation with usage. My 780Tis are not VRAM bottlenecked at 1440p in GTAV, max settings minus MSAA.

There!
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There!

I can't run Metro Last Light with 32xCSQAA and 16xMSAA on my rig in 1440p without dipping below 60fps at least once, damn guys this Titan X is so bad might as well use it as a coaster rolleyes.gif
 
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Case in point, it set most everything to very high,

Aha very high settings...........

Must be a HIGH end GPU thumb.gif

High end - R9 290/GTX970/980 >

Mid - 270X/280/280X/960/760etc >

Low - 265/750ti and lower

There's no real set classes of GPU but it's silly to call a card that can max out 99% of games mid tier.
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Aha very high settings...........

Must be a HIGH end GPU thumb.gif

High end - R9 290/GTX970/980 >

Mid - 270X/280/280X/960/760etc >

Low - 265/750ti and lower

There's no real set classes of GPU but it's silly to call a card that can max out 99% of games mid tier.

Exactly. A Titan X can't drive BF4 @ 4k, ultra everything AND 4xMSAA... It will chug down to around 40-45 FPS average. The Titan X is apparently not a high-end card, either. wink.gif
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I can't run Metro Last Light with 32xCSQAA and 16xMSAA on my rig in 1440p without dipping below 60fps at least once, damn guys this Titan X is so bad might as well use it as a coaster rolleyes.gif

Why do you have to go to such extremes? It only makes you look stupid. 4x MSAA for 1080p and 2x MSAA for 1440p is a given if those MSAA options are available.
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Why do you have to go to such extremes? It only makes you look stupid. 4x MSAA for 1080p and 2x MSAA for 1440p is a given if those MSAA options are available.

Many people see MSAA as unnecessary at 1440p. Also anything about 4xAA. At least if it has does make a difference, it's so small that it almost doesn't matter. All I'm saying is that many games today have completely crazy amounts of MSAA and AA options. That doesn't make GPUs who can't run those at max with a minimum of 60fps "mid-end". This thread smells more and more of troll, since there is no intelligent discussion to be had.
 
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There!

I don't have the shader power to run MSAA without drops into the 40s. Also, my vRAM is nearly 50% faster than the 980, so it's hard to tell whether the fps hit on MSAA is due to lack of shader power or lack of vRAM.
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So the logic behind the 980 no longer being high end is that new games came out and the 9 month old card is struggling to max it out?
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