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Hello forum

So I need to plan some different version of the a loop for this rig . Im based in the UK

Specs

i7-5930K £367.00
ASUS RAMPAGE V EXTREME £318.00
Gkill 16GB 3200Mhz £220.00
Obsidian Series® 900D £276.00
Superflower 1200W £183.00 (PSU allows for expansion)
GPU : Inno3D hercluez x4 GTX 970 ( already owned but getting a second one) £310

Total £1,364.00 + £310 GPU + £?? Water cooling

until I get the second GPU which might not be at the same time as this build I cant set up dual GPU cooling .

What plan is best for money ? I could just get plan 1 + a second GPU for the same price as plan 3
I still need to create a flow diagram of it all to know which fittings I need etc .

UPDATED Costs may vary due to conversion of euro - sterling etc

Plan 1
Single 480 RAD (Top) + CPU

Total £361.43 +Fitting/Coolant

Plan 2
Single 480 RAD (Top) + GPU + GPU

Total £ 462 +Fitting/Coolant

Plan 3
Dual 480 RAD (Top/Bottom) + GPU + GPU

Total £ 653 +Fitting/Coolant

EDIT Parts to be used are
XSPC RX480 V3 £105.00
EK-RES X3 250 £38.93
EK-XTOP D5 - Acetal £74.49
EK-Supremacy EVO - Acetal+Nickel £48.23
Fans EK Vardar 2200 x8 £84.88 PER RAD
Fittings EK-ACF elox black £3.50 EACH
Coolant ??
Tubing



Here is what I've come up with so far , any thoughts ?

Its also come to my conclusion thanks to xxdarkreap3rxx that I could have a 420 rad at the top using the new 140 EK fans when released is now a possibility

The 900D can have 2 x 480 rads + 360 . Also is it best to have dyed coolant or just colored tubing ?
Edited by kaistledine - 5/28/15 at 8:25am
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Is dual 480 for just CPU over kill ? Apart from the fact it will be able to cool the cpu at lower fan speeds .
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kaistledine View Post

Is dual 480 for just CPU over kill ? Apart from the fact it will be able to cool the cpu at lower fan speeds .

Keep in mind with dual 480s you may never need to upgrade your radiators again. I started off with a 360, then added a 280 shortly afterwards, then ended up getting a new chassis to fit two 480 rads in all to cool a 4790K and a 290X. IMO if you go dual 480s now you won't regret having bought smaller rads when you end up selling them to get the 480s. Also, get good fans for them. I've been praising EK Vardars like the second coming of Christ and just bought 16 of them over the weekend to replace my SP120s with. Good stuff.

In regards to your dyes question, check Mayhem's thread out:

"Warning Mayhems dyes are extremely strong and they stain "that is fact". The only dye we do that does not stain is UV Clear Blue.

Q: Do dyes stain water cooling systems?
A: Yes they do. Dye is made to stain that’s why it has been used for thousands of years to stain clothing and many other products. Any dye introduced into a system will cause staining over a time period and some faster than others. UV Pink is the worst at doing this and is used to make Red UV active as Red is not normally UV active. The only product out there that will never stain is UV Clear Blue as this is actually not a dye. The less dye you use in the system the less staining you will get.

Q: Will Aurora stain my system?
A: Aurora should not stain your system as we do not use a UV Dye in it. How ever prolonged use of the Coolant may see some slight staining.

Q: Will Mayhems X1 stain my system?
A: UV Red, UV Pink, UV Blood red will stain your system. UV Blue, UV Oil Black, UV Green and UV Yellow Green Will stain your system if left in it longer than 9 months. UV Clear Blue and Clear will never stain your system"

Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1286896/mayhems-users-club/0_20

Note: Mayhems just came out with a new lineup of non-stain dyes recently: http://mayhems.co.uk/store/dyes/non-staining-dyes/

If you absolutely do not want to worry about staining at all, get colored tubing otherwise you can get clear tubing for much cheaper (like $2/ft cheaper going with Durelene over PrimoFlex Advanced LRT). I honestly think clear tubing with colored liquid looks much better since your reservoir water is also colored and you can really fine-tune how you want it to look with dye/coolant by mixing colors whereas with colored tubing you don't have much customization.
post #4 of 35
You may also want to have a look at the quad rad roundup done by VSG about half a year ago since you seem to be keen on getting 480s: http://www.overclock.net/t/1520512/the-quad-rad-roundup/0_20

I personally bought two Black Ice Nemesis 480GTXs after reading that review. They are much wider than standard rads and expensive ($141 @ PPCs when I got them) but they perform exceptionally well. If you're looking to save some money, the Nemesis GTS is one of the cheapest 480 radiators you can get and performs great. You can almost buy two for the price of a GTX. Here's a list of 480s on PPCs, sorted by the lowest price just to give you an idea:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/radiators/shopby/radiator-size--480-4-x-120mm/?dir=asc&limit=30&order=price

Where are you buying from btw? EU or USA?
post #5 of 35
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Thanks for all the info !

Im based in the UK so ill have to check out if I can get them over here . Loads of EK water cooling stuff is now being sold so wouldn't be surprised if more kit is being shipped and resold over here .
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I can find any other black ice Rad but not the 480 ...***
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Okay so what im just doing now is making a list of parts . here is Is what I've got so far .

XSPC RX480 V3 Rads £105
EK-RES X3 250 Reservoir £45
EK-XTOP D5 Vario Pump £80
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Update

To Buy
XSPC RX480 V3 £105
EK-RES X3 250 £45
EK-XTOP D5 Vario £80
EK-Supremacy EVO £51

Total £281


Any recommendations on coolant , fittings , tubing , etc.

Im going to create a basic flow diagram soon .
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Here's what I wrote in another thread:

I switched to PrimoFlex Advanced LRT tubing in the red color which I used briefly (few months) but ended up switching again to a much cheaper alternative, Durelene, which can be bought in bulk on Sidewinder:

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/othertubing.html

Here's what I found out about Durelene:

Mayhems: "Although mayhems stopped publishing test results, he did advise us to get either these 3 tubing as of 16 march 2013. Primochill Primoflex Advance LRT, Durelene or Tygon plasticizer free (Tygon E-1000)."

Martin: "Duralene (Saint Gobain) from SWC - Not quite as flexible as the Tygon 3603, but good enough, very low cost and I've run this in water systems for very long periods of time without any clouding issues. This stuff get's my vote for best bang for the buck tubing that doesn't cloud much."

skyn3t: "Durelene PVC tubing 7/16in. ID 5/8in. OD by Saint-Gobain First bath with Distilled warm water to clean the dust inside and ready to receive the final run. Compared with Tygon R-3603 the flexibility is not that much in real world.In my first experience with Durelene was very good, even its natural clear color is very bright compared with Tygon R-3603, Tygon R 3603 and it is kind of yellowish color. ... As you guys know I'm running Durelene PVC tubing 7/16in. ID 5/8in. OD by Saint-Gobain + Distilled Water + Silver Kill Coilfor 3 weeks and 6 days ( 27 Days ) and it looks the same since Day One. not signs of Plasticize or Cloud including the Reservoir i have been running my 3570K 4.5Mhz and my GTX 670 FTW @ 1200MHz 24/7. Heat is not the issue as far as i know in my recent test's. I know i had doe some Plasticizer testing with Tygon R-3603 and Durelene in Glass Container but some how all those test when very different in what I have now both my System are running Durelene Tubing the Plasticizer Test Bench had MayHems Red Dye and still the same no Plasticizer or Cloud whatsoever. I'm very happy with my result test's."

crazymofo: "Durelene did not plasticizer in my test. It hazes though, I would not consider hazing to be the same as plasticizer because to my understanding plasticizer = creamy cheese being formed in the tubing walls. I am not so sure myself either, I guess I will need to do more test on other tubing that is famous for plasticizer to be certain on identifying plasticizer & hazing.

I cannot gurantee durelene will not plasticizer, but based on my findings it did not. Please take note that I did the test for 12hours only therefore running it longer in your loop might give different result. Also please take note that although I report hazing in my tests, I still hear very good feedback regarding this tubing considering the price for it is very cheap. Many people that used it in their rig claim their tubing is still clear like new after installing a month or so. I will definitely add a piece of durelene tubing in my rig once its completed & will update this post on how it performed in real life setup."

Sources: http://www.overclock.net/t/1380775/what-is-plasticizer/0_20

You can buy 1/2" x 3/4" for $0.79/ft: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/dupvctu1idx3.html which is nearly $2 cheaper per foot than PrimoFlex Advanced LRT for $2.75/ft on PPCs. Just something to consider.

When I made the switch to clear tubing, I wasn't going to use any dyes due to them staining blocks or colored coolant due to expense:

"Warning Mayhems dyes are extremely strong and they stain "that is fact". The only dye we do that does not stain is UV Clear Blue.

Q: Do dyes stain water cooling systems?
A: Yes they do. Dye is made to stain that’s why it has been used for thousands of years to stain clothing and many other products. Any dye introduced into a system will cause staining over a time period and some faster than others. UV Pink is the worst at doing this and is used to make Red UV active as Red is not normally UV active. The only product out there that will never stain is UV Clear Blue as this is actually not a dye. The less dye you use in the system the less staining you will get.

Q: Will Aurora stain my system?
A: Aurora should not stain your system as we do not use a UV Dye in it. How ever prolonged use of the Coolant may see some slight staining.

Q: Will Mayhems X1 stain my system?
A: UV Red, UV Pink, UV Blood red will stain your system. UV Blue, UV Oil Black, UV Green and UV Yellow Green Will stain your system if left in it longer than 9 months. UV Clear Blue and Clear will never stain your system"

Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1286896/mayhems-users-club/0_20

HOWEVER, Mayhems just came out with a new non-stain dye recently which I decided to buy: http://mayhems.co.uk/store/dyes/non-staining-dyes/ I haven't used it yet (as I'm going to redo my loop when my 2nd video card and new CPU/mobo/RAM get in) but this is one alternative to using colored coolant (or colored tubing which is expensive and IMO doesn't look as good). It's less expensive than their concentrate as well.
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Thank you
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