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post #101 of 254
For me it's just a matter of waiting.
I'm not going to buy the card in country but during my trip to USA.

~850$ still wouldn't be that bad if I consider that brand new HD6990 was ~1000$ over here when I was purchasing it(I bought used for ~730$).
But what I want is 8GB 390(3840 stream processors would be ideal) for ~650$.I hope that there will be aircooled version too. I want to get a full cover waterblock so AIO water-coller is not for me.
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You have people saying "I don't mind". doh.gif

We went from completely new lines based on new architecture to a line of mostly rebrands that included the flagships, to now a complete line of rebrands and a separate branch for flagships that will no longer be at $500 on release (which was bad enough), but in the $1000 and people here are excusing the insanity? By the way thanks NVidia for leading the way and thanks to those here that ate it up.

If this is true, everyone mark the release of the Fiji as the death knell for our hobby.

Please someone line up AMD and NVidia and give them the Three Stooges slap. Congratulations, they just handed the victory to all those sold out devs (which now includes CDPR) and the consoles.
 
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I was talking about the paper launch so we can at least get the specs and pricing and see whether it's AMD or the rumor mills that are delusional.

Ah, my bad.

Honestly, the paper launch can't happen fast enough. I'm honestly getting sick and tired of all this hype and speculation.
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You have people saying "I don't mind". doh.gif

We went from completely new lines based on new architecture to a line of mostly rebrands that included the flagships, to now a complete line of rebrands and a separate branch for flagships that will no longer be at $500 on release (which was bad enough), but in the $1000 and people here are excusing the insanity? By the way thanks NVidia for leading the way and thanks to those here that ate it up.

If this is true, everyone mark the release of the Fiji as the death knell for our hobby.

Please someone line up AMD and NVidia and give them the Three Stooges slap. Congratulations, they just handed the victory to all those sold out devs (which now includes CDPR) and the consoles.

People don't realize just how bad it is going to get. AMD is shooting themselves in the head with this strategy and they're going to do it live, onstage, in front of an international audience at E3. Nvidia is waiting to pounce and we're going to be left with glorified consoles for gaming using one GPU manufacturer.

Edit: How long, after Nvidia completely dominates and pushes AMD out of the market, before they start requiring ALL developers who want to develop PC to use Gameworks? How long before they apply pressure to ensure all "gaming" monitors include G-sync?
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They could put the special name like for ex..... Radeon Fire. A bridge between Radeon & Firepro. biggrin.gif

the same concept Geforce TITAN are selling.

The TDP will literally burn your house down!
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It will be as stated in the OP numerous times with links, what do you expect them just to abandon Hawaii silicon altogether?


They could have put it as 380x/380.

Nvidia has long-since abandoned gk110, which Hawaii competed with
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Don't have much to say other than I am pretty Peeved!!! We are now stagnant in the race.
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We went from completely new lines based on new architecture to a line of mostly rebrands that included the flagships, to now a complete line of rebrands and a separate branch for flagships that will no longer be at $500 on release (which was bad enough), but in the $1000 and people here are excusing the insanity? By the way thanks NVidia for leading the way and thanks to those here that ate it up.

If this is true, everyone mark the release of the Fiji as the death knell for our hobby.

Excusing the insanity? Hello? Business 101?

This is simply PC gaming becoming more main stream. Most "hobby" markets have some stupid expensive slightly better options that are meant to get a lot of extra money from those who don't mind spending double for 5% better performance. Those people are the cream in any market, you can sell them things for 100% more while increasing costs much less than that, margins++.

Now that there are enough of those consumers in the dGPU market both companies would be very stupid to not try to capitalize on them (and Wall Street would sue them if they didn't).

You can hate the way free markets work (I do, to a degree) but you have to understand this is how our society is structured, it is free market capitalism. This isn't unique to the dGPU market. You don't have the right to buy the top of the line GPU (or car, or boat, or golf clubs). Companies only make products to make money.

This is the death of the hobby only if you must have top of the line hardware. Honestly this hobby has been oddly cheap for a while now, there were a lot of people who would be willing to pay a lot more than the absolutely top of the line options. Any time you are in a situation where customers are willing to pay a lot more but you don't have a more expensive product to sell them you are leaving a lot of money on the table.

These top end consumers are fickle and very sensitive to perception so AMD is going to have a hard time selling them a 4GB card and they would not be in the market for any kind of re-branded hardware. Nvidia was in a excellent, almost unique, position when they were able to switch to GK104 to compete with AMD's high end, instead of GK100 (GK110) like we(they?) were expecting. Now with enterprise and stupid high end consumers both large enough markets, of course Nvidia is going to sell their best products with as big of margins as they can (optimize revenue). Again, welcome to Capitalism.

The transition period is bad for us, of course, capitalism is often bad for customers. However, once we have a few generations past us those with $300 cards will be able to upgrade regularly to new $300 cards with 50% increases in performance, allowing the average hobbyist PC gamer to still afford the hobby. This isn't a sign of the hobby dying, it is a sign of it thriving.
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Excusing the insanity? Hello? Business 101?

This is simply PC gaming becoming more main stream. Most "hobby" markets have some stupid expensive slightly better options that are meant to get a lot of extra money from those who don't mind spending double for 5% better performance. Those people are the cream in any market, you can sell them things for 100% more while increasing costs much less than that, margins++.

Now that there are enough of those consumers in the dGPU market both companies would be very stupid to not try to capitalize on them (and Wall Street would sue them if they didn't).

You can hate the way free markets work (I do, to a degree) but you have to understand this is how our society is structured, it is free market capitalism. This isn't unique to the dGPU market. You don't have the right to buy the top of the line GPU (or car, or boat, or golf clubs). Companies only make products to make money.

This is the death of the hobby only if you must have top of the line hardware. Honestly this hobby has been oddly cheap for a while now, there were a lot of people who would be willing to pay a lot more than the absolutely top of the line options. Any time you are in a situation where customers are willing to pay a lot more but you don't have a more expensive product to sell them you are leaving a lot of money on the table.

These top end consumers are fickle and very sensitive to perception so AMD is going to have a hard time selling them a 4GB card and they would not be in the market for any kind of re-branded hardware. Nvidia was in a excellent, almost unique, position when they were able to switch to GK104 to compete with AMD's high end, instead of GK100 (GK110) like we(they?) were expecting. Now with enterprise and stupid high end consumers both large enough markets, of course Nvidia is going to sell their best products with as big of margins as they can (optimize revenue). Again, welcome to Capitalism.

The transition period is bad for us, of course, capitalism is often bad for customers. However, once we have a few generations past us those with $300 cards will be able to upgrade regularly to new $300 cards with 50% increases in performance, allowing the average hobbyist PC gamer to still afford the hobby. This isn't a sign of the hobby dying, it is a sign of it thriving.

Let me give these people the Three Stooge salute and a cream filed donut 🍩!
 
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Excusing the insanity? Hello? Business 101?

This is simply PC gaming becoming more main stream. Most "hobby" markets have some stupid expensive slightly better options that are meant to get a lot of extra money from those who don't mind spending double for 5% better performance. Those people are the cream in any market, you can sell them things for 100% more while increasing costs much less than that, margins++.

Now that there are enough of those consumers in the dGPU market both companies would be very stupid to not try to capitalize on them (and Wall Street would sue them if they didn't).

You can hate the way free markets work (I do, to a degree) but you have to understand this is how our society is structured, it is free market capitalism. This isn't unique to the dGPU market. You don't have the right to buy the top of the line GPU (or car, or boat, or golf clubs). Companies only make products to make money.

This is the death of the hobby only if you must have top of the line hardware. Honestly this hobby has been oddly cheap for a while now, there were a lot of people who would be willing to pay a lot more than the absolutely top of the line options. Any time you are in a situation where customers are willing to pay a lot more but you don't have a more expensive product to sell them you are leaving a lot of money on the table.

These top end consumers are fickle and very sensitive to perception so AMD is going to have a hard time selling them a 4GB card and they would not be in the market for any kind of re-branded hardware. Nvidia was in a excellent, almost unique, position when they were able to switch to GK104 to compete with AMD's high end, instead of GK100 (GK110) like we(they?) were expecting. Now with enterprise and stupid high end consumers both large enough markets, of course Nvidia is going to sell their best products with as big of margins as they can (optimize revenue). Again, welcome to Capitalism.

The transition period is bad for us, of course, capitalism is often bad for customers. However, once we have a few generations past us those with $300 cards will be able to upgrade regularly to new $300 cards with 50% increases in performance, allowing the average hobbyist PC gamer to still afford the hobby. This isn't a sign of the hobby dying, it is a sign of it thriving.

Again... The price gap has increased, but the performance gap hasn't.

I'm not going to post stats for you, you'll just argue with them arbitrarily. Find the benchmarks you like and tell me what you see when you compare the performance gap between the GT 230 and the GT 280, and then the performance gap between the GTX 960 and the GTX Titan X.
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