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"The third iteration of GCN is being evaluated today with Tonga. Tonga is AMD Radeon R9 285 and carries over all the features from the second GCN iteration plus additional architecture improvements. In addition to the second GCN iteration, iteration 3 includes improved tessellation, lossless delta color compression, an even newer updated instruction set, high quality scalar and a new multimedia engine. This is what sets Tonga apart from Bonaire and Hawaii."

Source: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/09/02/msi_radeon_r9_285_gaming_oc_video_card_review/#.VVzZrkbSTRY
so?
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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

so it might be true that 390x = 290x, just with better tessellation due to newer GCN?! That would be bad...

Not entirely, it's just naming BUT that does give me the feeling like they're pulling an Nvidia, where they will have "mid-range" cards like the 390 and 390X for $300-450 and then their "Titan-esque" card will be a big leap in price. I'm hoping that the people who want good price/performance but want to pay a bit more ($500-600 range) get a card from AMD this generation.
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so?

Was just giving something for people to read who don't know much about the 285 (like me).
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Originally Posted by xxdarkreap3rxx View Post

Not entirely, it's just naming BUT that does give me the feeling like they're pulling an Nvidia, where they will have "mid-range" cards like the 390 and 390X for $300-450 and then their "Titan-esque" card will be a big leap in price. I'm hoping that the people who want good price/performance but want to pay a bit more ($500-600 range) get a card from AMD this generation.

well yeah. I hate when AMD are trying to be nVidia, I hate NV lol biggrin.giftongue.gif

They likely want to keep x90X @500-550$ and sell Titan BS equivalent for 800-1000$
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Originally Posted by Qu1ckset View Post

The agreement is about the licensing for x64/x86 and has nothing to do with GPU's.

Will this licensing crap for x86/x64 ever expire so other people like IBM , Nvidia , Samsung , etc can make CPU's to compete against Intel , market is so stagnit with AMD struggling to compete in the desktop side of things, and they are losing a tone of market share to Nvidia on the graphics side of things.

I miss the ATI 4xxx/5xxx series era, gave Nvidia a beating , since AMD took over they have slowly becoming more and more meh

ATI didn't make the 4xxx or 5xxx series. The last ATI card was the x1900 series in 2006. The 2900xt was the first AMD card and it was released around 2007 I believe.
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I was talking about kepler not maxwell,either way, it is obious will have less compute performance, its midrange,

AMD released first their cards, they had bad performance,mianly due to need more mature drivers.and 7970GHz beat the nvidia offering,on both sides,compute and gaming performance.

it does.because micro-stutterting, is a performance issue.

AMD has been optimizing their drivers to keep up the 1.6years old gpu on par with the Nvidia offering when the game is not as closed and biased as some GW titles are.

performance hit seems to be greater on AMD ,and given the closed libraries of GW,amd cant optimize somehting as they could without gameworks.
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It will have less computer performance because gamers don't need computational work. That's why we have Titan's of old and Quadros and Maxwell takes that further by not even wasting space on it.

The 7xxx series didn't have bad performance, they offered a bigger bus and more memory compared to initial Kepler while being cheaper. Course the GHz version caught up, eventually AMD improved drivers and bumped up the speeds because they were conservative due to power constraints on the 7970 (also improved coolers).

My friends 970 has no micro-stuttering (it was mine till I sold it to him). Even when I used it there was none like my SLI setups of old. Then again he's playing at 1080p, the target resolution for a card like the 970 and I had GSYNC. Even with the memory issues that he is aware of his performance is still high up there with the 970 (it's improved as drivers have progessed). Thief didn't run as well on his r9 280, even with Mantle improving its performance.

Performance in GW hits both card vendors. AMD can optimize and find work-arounds for Gameworks just like Nvidia did for TressFX in Tomb Raider. AMD can't be lazy all the time, it has to step-up in the software department if it wants to compete in a gaming world where Gameworks is possibly going to be in a large amount of titles and manage to quell the issues with FreeSync (unless those are all monitor / scaler makers faults). Or AMD can wait and see if Gameworks dies, either way they need to choose an avenue to follow and I would like to think their customers would want AMD to actually work on their drivers and improve performance like we've been seeing with 7950/70 rebrands.

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well, look at 285. It's tessellation is greatly improved, but in games it's no better than 280x fps wise. While it's a nice improvement, it's not very practical in todays games...

The 285 is a terrible card in general but it paints a hopeful picture for future cards based on it but with more stream processors. In some titles the 285 is doing slightly better than the 280X, while using less power and offering memory compression techniques.
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The entire GPU market is dead....


Once Titan price will be forced upon us as a decent GPU, we will have to spent 1K on GFX just for a decent gaming PC.


The PC market is really dying if that happen. No one want to spent 4-5K just to get a decent PC at that future point.



We will be seeing 2K, 3K USD Geforce titan soon. Den we realized workstation card price has no difference between client gaming card.
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The entire GPU market is dead....


Once Titan price will be forced upon us as a decent GPU, we will have to spent 1K on GFX just for a decent gaming PC.


The PC market is really dying if that happen. No one want to spent 4-5K just to get a decent PC at that future point.



We will be seeing 2K, 3K USD Geforce titan soon. Den we realized workstation card price has no difference between client gaming card.

You sound like one of those "The End is Nigh" folks throughout human history saying the apocalypse is upon us.

Nvidia will only charge that much for the high end spectrum, there will always be lower priced and spec'd cards for their respective markets. I don't see Intel charging anymore than they usually have (less if you consider the 5820k vs. past 6 cores) and they haven't had competition for 4-5 years or so. You'll just have to settle for rebrands or cards like the 960 in the lower spectrum, and neither of those types are entirely bad because they perform well for their segment. Lately I've been seeing 960's for $185 or less at Fry's which is tempting for the performance they offer in f@h.
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2-3 weeks?

According to the Chief Technical Officer, you are talking 2+ MONTHS.

I was talking about the paper launch so we can at least get the specs and pricing and see whether it's AMD or the rumor mills that are delusional.
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You sound like one of those "The End is Nigh" folks throughout human history saying the apocalypse is upon us.

Nvidia will only charge that much for the high end spectrum, there will always be lower priced and spec'd cards for their respective markets. I don't see Intel charging anymore than they usually have (less if you consider the 5820k vs. past 6 cores) and they haven't had competition for 4-5 years or so. You'll just have to settle for rebrands or cards like the 960 in the lower spectrum, and neither of those types are entirely bad because they perform well for their segment. Lately I've been seeing 960's for $185 or less at Fry's which is tempting for the performance they offer in f@h.

The spread from bottom to top used to be $400, and now it's $800, while the performance gap remains the same, and that doesn't bother you in the least?

People used to lolcake the $400 spread off and tell everyone else that if they couldn't afford the $600 card go buy AMD, but now AMD is talking about using the same pricing scheme as Nvidia with cards that're so long in the tooth you could use the incisors as flagpoles. So now there is no alternative pricing option when people say "LOL, can't afford the Titan X peasant? Go join that scabrous lot over there!"
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