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Hey all,

In an attempt to familiarize myself with the linux world a while back, I was running Crunchbang Linux, and as you can see if you click the link, support has ended for it. I very much liked it, enough that it was the only distro in quite a few years that stuck around as a linux daily driver for me. For whatever reason, none of the other builds stick around.

Currently, on my laptop (Terminal Dogma, in my sig) I have the latest Fedora build running (dual boot with Win7 Ultimate). LXDE (maybe XFCE) I believe. I haven't booted into that for a bit. I may try KDE or GNOME, but I think what captured me with Crunchbang was Openbox.

So, I guess what I am asking, is would anyone happen to have a suggestion about the best way to get Openbox onto any build of linux? I am thinking of starting with barebones CLI and going from the ground up (NOT like arch, I'm not ready for that level yet). I always seem to fail at it, having tried a few times before. I am relearning everything, and do enjoy compiling my from source for maxumim optimization for whatever particular machine/architecture I am on. I was not too terribly familiar with the CLI, but I knew enough to get around, and was just getting into editing .conf files, barely though.

What I can tell you:

I like openbox
I like (prefer) APT for a package manager, but have no qualms with using anything else
I enjoy the lightweight builds
I like to have only what I need
I am trying to use mostly CLI for things, but basically want the GUI for some easier stuff.

Currently, just would be web browsing on it, maybe some other mundane tasks. Eventually, probably some light gaming.


If I missed anything, let me know please.

Thanks!

Edit: looking into xmonad too, does anyone know anything about that, heard of it last night.
Edited by maddangerous - 5/19/15 at 4:31pm
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Um...LXDE uses openbox as it's WM. Are you just wanting openbox alone? What CrunchBang had IIRC was a mix of openbox+tint2+some extra applets to give you GUI interfaces for things like WIFI, sound mixer, etc. You'd have to find all of those on your own in order to actually have the same GUI experience you were used to.

As for wanting to go ground up the easy way...that can be done with a ubuntu mini iso.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

It handles most of the parts that Arch wouldn't automate but then you decide the rest like DE or WM.
     
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.... Does it really now? Wow. I guess I have a lot more reading to do. Well I feel like a fool doh.gif

As far as the same GUI experience, it doesn't necessarily have to be that, but rather the snappiness and ease that came along with it. The wifi part would be nice I guess.

I suppose if I could get to a similar experience it would be alright, but if not, well, meh. I have no issues playing around with stuff to get it right.


I'll look at the minimal install thing there soon, was looking at a couple others too.
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Could always wait for BunsenLabs to become a thing
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.... Does it really now? Wow. I guess I have a lot more reading to do. Well I feel like a fool doh.gif

As far as the same GUI experience, it doesn't necessarily have to be that, but rather the snappiness and ease that came along with it. The wifi part would be nice I guess.

I suppose if I could get to a similar experience it would be alright, but if not, well, meh. I have no issues playing around with stuff to get it right.


I'll look at the minimal install thing there soon, was looking at a couple others too.

LOL. It's not that big of a deal. I mean LXDE is transitioning to LXQT soon which will allow it to use either openbox or kwin and change between the two within an active session IIRC.

The whole snappiness thing is kind of hard since that really because subject considering there's probably other processes going on in the background that added up to differences between the two distros and even between LXDE and bare openbox.

The hard part about the mini iso is UEFI support is non-existent from what I know and I think it's impossible to do on WIFI. Outside of that it's really easy.
     
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Could always wait for BunsenLabs to become a thing

I could, but that might take a while lol. I'll still need something in the meantime.
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LOL. It's not that big of a deal. I mean LXDE is transitioning to LXQT soon which will allow it to use either openbox or kwin and change between the two within an active session IIRC.

The whole snappiness thing is kind of hard since that really because subject considering there's probably other processes going on in the background that added up to differences between the two distros and even between LXDE and bare openbox.

The hard part about the mini iso is UEFI support is non-existent from what I know and I think it's impossible to do on WIFI. Outside of that it's really easy.

Well, yeah the snappiness thing is pretty debatable, but that is why it would start out as a minimal install. I suppose I could really delve into it more ans learn to strip out more that I won't need from the distro, but with a minimal base idk how much more one could take out.

The wifi part is fine, I'll just hardline to my router for the install. As long as I can use wifi later on it'll be fine.
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So at this point, I have the latest Debian minimal build downloaded and ready to install. I'm still debating between Xmonad and Openbox, as the possibilities seem pretty cool for both.

I'm making this a quest for learning, as well as getting deeper into linux. Currently gathering resources to see where I can pull stuff for Openbox from, such as applets and whatnot. I'd like to have at least some of my ducks in a row before i go ahead and wipe out Fedora to install Debian. I also need to look at compiling the kernel and adding the proper lines to whatever conf file i need to make the window manager/DE boot with the machine when I log in.
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Hey all,

In an attempt to familiarize myself with the linux world a while back, I was running Crunchbang Linux, and as you can see if you click the link, support has ended for it. I very much liked it, enough that it was the only distro in quite a few years that stuck around as a linux daily driver for me. For whatever reason, none of the other builds stick around.

Currently, on my laptop (Terminal Dogma, in my sig) I have the latest Fedora build running (dual boot with Win7 Ultimate). LXDE (maybe XFCE) I believe. I haven't booted into that for a bit. I may try KDE or GNOME, but I think what captured me with Crunchbang was Openbox.

So, I guess what I am asking, is would anyone happen to have a suggestion about the best way to get Openbox onto any build of linux? I am thinking of starting with barebones CLI and going from the ground up (NOT like arch, I'm not ready for that level yet). I always seem to fail at it, having tried a few times before. I am relearning everything, and do enjoy compiling my from source for maxumim optimization for whatever particular machine/architecture I am on. I was not too terribly familiar with the CLI, but I knew enough to get around, and was just getting into editing .conf files, barely though.

What I can tell you:

I like openbox
I like (prefer) APT for a package manager, but have no qualms with using anything else
I enjoy the lightweight builds
I like to have only what I need
I am trying to use mostly CLI for things, but basically want the GUI for some easier stuff.

Currently, just would be web browsing on it, maybe some other mundane tasks. Eventually, probably some light gaming.


If I missed anything, let me know please.

Thanks!

Edit: looking into xmonad too, does anyone know anything about that, heard of it last night.

If you liked CrunchBang then just switch to ArchBang, same setup just Arch based instead. As for not being at the Arch "level", you overestimate how hard Arch is. The beginners guide and installation guide are pretty much word for word for what you need to do.

As for Xmonad, if you don't think you can configure Arch, then setting up Xmonad is going to be a no-go if you want any productivity out of it. For that you'll want to learn Haskell first, a decent book for it here.

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So at this point, I have the latest Debian minimal build downloaded and ready to install. I'm still debating between Xmonad and Openbox, as the possibilities seem pretty cool for both.

I'm making this a quest for learning, as well as getting deeper into linux. Currently gathering resources to see where I can pull stuff for Openbox from, such as applets and whatnot. I'd like to have at least some of my ducks in a row before i go ahead and wipe out Fedora to install Debian. I also need to look at compiling the kernel and adding the proper lines to whatever conf file i need to make the window manager/DE boot with the machine when I log in.

You won't be recompiling the kernel for simple desktop related stuff. Again you say you aren't on the Arch "level" yet you're talking about doing stuff that's far beyond what you would be doing in Arch as an average user. Installing Arch only requires a little reading and virtually no understanding as most guides are pretty verbatim.

My guide that should work and get you up and running if you want to try; here
Edited by Shrak - 5/21/15 at 8:47am
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If you liked CrunchBang then just switch to ArchBang, same setup just Arch based instead. As for not being at the Arch "level", you overestimate how hard Arch is. The beginners guide and installation guide are pretty much word for word for what you need to do.

As for Xmonad, if you don't think you can configure Arch, then setting up Xmonad is going to be a no-go if you want any productivity out of it. For that you'll want to learn Haskell first, a decent book for it here.
You won't be recompiling the kernel for simple desktop related stuff. Again you say you aren't on the Arch "level" yet you're talking about doing stuff that's far beyond what you would be doing in Arch as an average user. Installing Arch only requires a little reading and virtually no understanding as most guides are pretty verbatim.

My guide that should work and get you up and running if you want to try; here

I'll look into that, thanks. Ihad heard a lot about how tough arch could be to set up, so I had steered clear of it.

I didn't really look into recompiling a kernel, but hell I'll have to learn sometime. I don't see why not? I'm going to do the same for my server so I might as well start now.

I'll go set up arch later on (tonight if I get the chance) and see how it goes.

Edit: does wifi play nice with arch?
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I'll look into that, thanks. Ihad heard a lot about how tough arch could be to set up, so I had steered clear of it.

I didn't really look into recompiling a kernel, but hell I'll have to learn sometime. I don't see why not? I'm going to do the same for my server so I might as well start now.

I'll go set up arch later on (tonight if I get the chance) and see how it goes.

Edit: does wifi play nice with arch?

Arch should work during the install with WIFI but I'm not sure. Any distro after you get it installed will work with WIFI once you either get the drivers or if they're included in the kernel.

The only times to really recompile a kernel is to patch/add/remove something already built in. Sure you can do it just to "optimize" but it's not that huge of a gain.
     
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